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Physical fitness and risk of mental disorders in children and adolescents

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Re: Physical fitness and risk of mental disorders in children and adolescents

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Obesity is an epidemic, broken or abusive households are not. It doesn't make sense to be skeptical of fitness on the conceit that it might not handle issues in the margins (except, they do -- sports can improve self-esteem in kids who otherwise struggle). > Will you even maintain the team sport if your teammates never accept you Kids are generally pretty accepting, and in a sports setting they spend nearly all of th…

This is so completely not true -- but if you're on the right side of ordinary, you do have the privilege of believing it.

The stats speak for themselves (obesity rates are very high, there's no reason to believe troubled kids are overrepresented among the obese, and research shows sports programs can improve self-esteem and socialization in children).

You seem to be particularly hung up on the notion of kids not "accepting" another - there's no reason to believe this. If coaches do their jobs (and they usually do) they foster camaraderie that includes everyone.

I was quiet as a kid, and was never left out in a sports team. The anecdote pissing contest is useless. Show me data.

Re: Physical fitness and risk of mental disorders in children and adolescents

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post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Obesity is an epidemic, broken or abusive households are not. It doesn't make sense to be skeptical of fitness on the conceit that it might not handle issues in the margins (except, they do -- sports can improve self-esteem in kids who otherwise struggle). > Will you even maintain the team sport if your teammates never accept you Kids are generally pretty accepting, and in a sports setting they spend nearly all of th…

> Kids are generally pretty accepting Ha > No one cares about quirks Haha

You have nothing to say.

Re: Physical fitness and risk of mental disorders in children and adolescents

#73
post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is so completely not true -- but if you're on the right side of ordinary, you do have the privilege of believing it.

The stats speak for themselves (obesity rates are very high, there's no reason to believe troubled kids are overrepresented among the obese, and research shows sports programs can improve self-esteem and socialization in children). You seem to be particularly hung up on the notion of kids not "accepting" another - there's no reason to believe this. If coaches do their jobs (and they usually do) they foster camaraderi…

I don't believe you have, honestly, met children.

Your qualification of coaches who do their jobs is exactly the problem. Kids are cruel, and adults are negligent. Not always, but far too often.

I was also the quiet kid who did not attract negative attention, but I saw it then and I see it now.

You're completely ignoring the marginal kids. It's not about obesity, and that's not what I was responding to initially. You used the word "generally", and that's fine. But you're overlooking a significant cohort, and your dismissive attitude is 100% reminiscent of the crappy administrators and coaches who play their roles in the problem.

What sports do you coach? And do you, perchance, also teach 7th grade history? I feel like we might have met before.

Re: Physical fitness and risk of mental disorders in children and adolescents

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post #61

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> Kids are generally pretty accepting Ha > No one cares about quirks Haha

You have nothing to say.

In GP's defense, there's really no coherent response to your assertions -- they are laughably incorrect in the experience of many people.

If not in yours, just know that you may be very lucky. But more likely, simply unaware.

Re: Physical fitness and risk of mental disorders in children and adolescents

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post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The stats speak for themselves (obesity rates are very high, there's no reason to believe troubled kids are overrepresented among the obese, and research shows sports programs can improve self-esteem and socialization in children). You seem to be particularly hung up on the notion of kids not "accepting" another - there's no reason to believe this. If coaches do their jobs (and they usually do) they foster camaraderi…

I don't believe you have, honestly, met children. Your qualification of coaches who do their jobs is exactly the problem. Kids are cruel, and adults are negligent. Not always, but far too often. I was also the quiet kid who did not attract negative attention, but I saw it then and I see it now. You're completely ignoring the marginal kids. It's not about obesity, and that's not what I was responding to initially. You…

> I don't believe you have, honestly, met children.

Stop projecting.

> Kids are cruel, and adults are negligent. Not always, but far too often.

Broadly, no. This is something that is taught. We don't live in an amoral wasteland, and playing sports is not Lord of the Flies. 99% of the time is spent playing, and not only do parents watch the games, many hang around for practice. I don't know if you've ever witnessed either, but they are not comprised of rounds of piling on one kid. This is not unique to any one sport, it's basically ubiquitous.

> You're completely ignoring the marginal kids.

Their being marginal is one of the points I made, i.e. they don't comprise the bulk of inactive and/or obese kids. And yet I did not ignore them: sports can help troubled kids, another point I made.

If there are those for whom sport participation is inappropriate, that is neither here nor there, it has NO BEARING on what I said. I made no blanket prescription that every kid must/ought be involved, but I'm highly skeptical of notions that large swaths of kids should abstain from sports on the conceit that "some kids might be meanies".

> your dismissive attitude

Your projecting again. Fuck off. Can you keep track of a discussion at all?

Sports can be beneficial for both a) the inactive, and b) those who might exhibit signs of mental disorders. Barring individual cases, it's completely uncontroversial to suggest it's an option that ought to be taken seriously.

> What sports do you coach? And do you, perchance, also teach 7th grade history? I feel like we might have met before.

Seems like you are nowhere near grounded in reality.

You haven't shown me any data like I asked, so there's nothing left to say. Content yourself with your specious anecdotes, believe what you want to believe. You don't care about what's true.

Re: Physical fitness and risk of mental disorders in children and adolescents

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post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have nothing to say.

In GP's defense, there's really no coherent response to your assertions -- they are laughably incorrect in the experience of many people. If not in yours, just know that you may be very lucky. But more likely, simply unaware.

I saw your projections and anecdotal hot air the first time. You're just pissing in the wind.

Re: Physical fitness and risk of mental disorders in children and adolescents

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post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't believe you have, honestly, met children. Your qualification of coaches who do their jobs is exactly the problem. Kids are cruel, and adults are negligent. Not always, but far too often. I was also the quiet kid who did not attract negative attention, but I saw it then and I see it now. You're completely ignoring the marginal kids. It's not about obesity, and that's not what I was responding to initially. You…

> I don't believe you have, honestly, met children. Stop projecting. > Kids are cruel, and adults are negligent. Not always, but far too often. Broadly, no. This is something that is taught. We don't live in an amoral wasteland, and playing sports is not Lord of the Flies. 99% of the time is spent playing, and not only do parents watch the games, many hang around for practice. I don't know if you've ever witnessed ei…

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Re: Physical fitness and risk of mental disorders in children and adolescents

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post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't believe you have, honestly, met children. Your qualification of coaches who do their jobs is exactly the problem. Kids are cruel, and adults are negligent. Not always, but far too often. I was also the quiet kid who did not attract negative attention, but I saw it then and I see it now. You're completely ignoring the marginal kids. It's not about obesity, and that's not what I was responding to initially. You…

> I don't believe you have, honestly, met children. Stop projecting. > Kids are cruel, and adults are negligent. Not always, but far too often. Broadly, no. This is something that is taught. We don't live in an amoral wasteland, and playing sports is not Lord of the Flies. 99% of the time is spent playing, and not only do parents watch the games, many hang around for practice. I don't know if you've ever witnessed ei…

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