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Tire toxicity faces fresh scrutiny after salmon die-offs

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Re: Tire toxicity faces fresh scrutiny after salmon die-offs

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Post by omginternets »

MisterTea wrote: post #11
LarryDarrell wrote: post #6

Perhaps tires can be made less toxic, but over all, we need to prioritize driving less. WFH means I put barely 3000 miles per year on my car. It's absurd we are not aggressively promoting WFH or hybrid WFH at the national level. It's the easiest win for the environment and it's right there for the taking.

> It's absurd we are not aggressively promoting WFH or hybrid WFH at the national level. It's absurd that tech people seem to think that WFH is applicable to everyone. I'm in a shop right now and have to touch machinery on a daily basis. So do the rest of the workers.

Surely the OP's point is that a significant proportion of the workforce can WFH, and that this would have a significant environmental impact...

Re: Tire toxicity faces fresh scrutiny after salmon die-offs

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Post by njarboe »

LarryDarrell wrote: post #6

Perhaps tires can be made less toxic, but over all, we need to prioritize driving less. WFH means I put barely 3000 miles per year on my car. It's absurd we are not aggressively promoting WFH or hybrid WFH at the national level. It's the easiest win for the environment and it's right there for the taking.

Driving is an amazing. It allows everyone huge amounts of freedom in what they do and who they spend time with. Having lots of shops and workplaces near your home is great and should be encouraged, but we should try and find ways to keep the freedom of personal transportation and reduce the impact it has. Lots and lots of tunnels, better tires, electric cars use brakes much less and could get to almost zero, etc.

Re: Tire toxicity faces fresh scrutiny after salmon die-offs

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Post by carom »

bamboozled wrote: post #37
moomoo3000 wrote: post #29

Could increased street sweeping help?

I’d almost guarantee the bristles on a street sweeper are also leaching insane amounts of toxic crap into the environment. I bet they’re plastic…

They are metal, you find them in the road sometimes.

Re: Tire toxicity faces fresh scrutiny after salmon die-offs

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Post by kps »

blargey wrote: post #26
kps wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A house can be approximately net zero from solar panels. Much denser housing can't be.

When the topic is "tire wear on cars causes significant environmental damage, not just their combustion-engine emissions ", praising houses for just their electricity consumption seems a little silly.

The immediate context was an objection to WFH, not driving.

Re: Tire toxicity faces fresh scrutiny after salmon die-offs

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Post by njarboe »

tristor wrote: post #9
LarryDarrell wrote: post #6

Perhaps tires can be made less toxic, but over all, we need to prioritize driving less. WFH means I put barely 3000 miles per year on my car. It's absurd we are not aggressively promoting WFH or hybrid WFH at the national level. It's the easiest win for the environment and it's right there for the taking.

Same here, been WFH since 2015, however I did do a lot of driving for other reasons previously. Since 2022 however I drive less than 7000 miles a year, and that includes a family road trip each year for the holidays that is ~2500 miles round-trip. One thing that bothers me is that insurance is getting extremely expensive where I live, even though I hardly drive and my car is garaged year-round due to the greatly incr…

Do you have full coverage on your car? You should consider dropping that. Vehicle theft should not be increasing liability costs that much.

Re: Tire toxicity faces fresh scrutiny after salmon die-offs

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Post by basil-rash »

bamboozled wrote: post #37
moomoo3000 wrote: post #29

Could increased street sweeping help?

I’d almost guarantee the bristles on a street sweeper are also leaching insane amounts of toxic crap into the environment. I bet they’re plastic…

They’re metal. Plastic would not stand up to the task.

Re: Tire toxicity faces fresh scrutiny after salmon die-offs

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Post by 13of40 »

bamboozled wrote: post #37
moomoo3000 wrote: post #29

Could increased street sweeping help?

I’d almost guarantee the bristles on a street sweeper are also leaching insane amounts of toxic crap into the environment. I bet they’re plastic…

They're actually steel, and if you keep an eye out you can find them all over the place.

Re: Tire toxicity faces fresh scrutiny after salmon die-offs

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Post by kiba »

david-gpu wrote: post #31
LarryDarrell wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At some point one has to consider costs, scale and political expediency. WFH and H-WFH would be broadly popular among the electorate and could probably take off with just some changes to the tax code. Presuming everyone does want to live in a dense area (I do not), building housing and infrastructure is expensive and at the end of the day it has to be profitable to build. We don't really have the framework to zone mu…

> Presuming everyone does want to live in a dense area (I do not) I wish we stopped subsidizing wealthy folks choosing to live in low density areas. It is intrinsically regressive that poorer people living in sustainable denser areas are subsidizing the infrastructure of the low density suburbs where richer people live. Low density suburbs do not raise enough taxes to support their own infrastructure, from roads, to…

I live in a SFH. It's very unpleasant outside of my home. It's inconvenient, sometime outright dangerous to walk to my local grocery store. There's also constant noise from the cars and the ever present possibility of a car driving off the road. I see a bicycle tribute or two to small children in my local area.

I wouldn't even considering cycling given the speed of cars around there. The local road is used for through traffic despite being one lane in each direction. So it's very frustrating if I want to get somewhere during rush hour, and this is just cars!

If you want to walk to the local gas station, you might have to deal with muddy ground because of the ground being the bottom of a hill in order to get there, although the owner of said muddy ground have filled it in with dirt lately. The sidewalks if they exist, are discontinuous.

Yes, wealthier people live in SFH and the surburb, but it's a questionable in term of quality of life.

I visited the city. In some way, they are more convenient such as access to rideshare scooters and bikes, but also dangerous and automotive centric if less so.

Re: Tire toxicity faces fresh scrutiny after salmon die-offs

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Post by tristor »

njarboe wrote: post #45
tristor wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same here, been WFH since 2015, however I did do a lot of driving for other reasons previously. Since 2022 however I drive less than 7000 miles a year, and that includes a family road trip each year for the holidays that is ~2500 miles round-trip. One thing that bothers me is that insurance is getting extremely expensive where I live, even though I hardly drive and my car is garaged year-round due to the greatly incr…

Do you have full coverage on your car? You should consider dropping that. Vehicle theft should not be increasing liability costs that much.

I am required to carry full coverage because my car is financed. Even when I've paid a car off, I still carry full coverage, because liability-only policies tend to not help in my past experiences mostly due to the absolute epidemic of uninsured/unregistered cars on American roadways.

Re: Tire toxicity faces fresh scrutiny after salmon die-offs

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Post by lm28469 »

njarboe wrote: post #42
LarryDarrell wrote: post #6

Perhaps tires can be made less toxic, but over all, we need to prioritize driving less. WFH means I put barely 3000 miles per year on my car. It's absurd we are not aggressively promoting WFH or hybrid WFH at the national level. It's the easiest win for the environment and it's right there for the taking.

Driving is an amazing. It allows everyone huge amounts of freedom in what they do and who they spend time with. Having lots of shops and workplaces near your home is great and should be encouraged, but we should try and find ways to keep the freedom of personal transportation and reduce the impact it has. Lots and lots of tunnels, better tires, electric cars use brakes much less and could get to almost zero, etc.

> freedom

It's also stupidly expensive for most people, and made us develop a car centric approach to a lot of things, a lot of problems it solves are problems we wouldn't have if we designed our cities in other ways

Replacing the current 2b vehicles on earth by electric vehicles will buy us a few years at best but it won't solve the deeper issues

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