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Re: Google workers fired for protesting Israeli contract file NLRB complaint

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Post by racional »

tovej wrote: post #168
gedy wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Still, people supporting Israel have not been fired I've worked in past with people who were very passionate Gaza supporters. And they received nothing but praise, but their work may have supported people involved with Oct 7th massacres. Should they be fired too?

I don't see how that relates to my point. My point is that repercussions are happening to one side of the issue: those opposing genocide and apartheid. Two things I was sure of everyone could agree on are some of the most horrendous crimes against humanity you can commit. The genocide has been ongoing for multiple decades, Israel routinely bombs civilians in Gaza, and any Palestinians living in Israel have essentiall…

Any Palestinians living in Israel have essentially no political rights

Simply false, and in fact rather insulting to the large numbers of non-Jewish citizens of Israel who do chose to participate in the political process.

Also you seem confused about the restrictions that apply to Palestinians in the OT versus those living in Israel proper.

This kind of muddled reasoning is definitely not helpful to understanding the plight of these people who so you are supposedly so concerned about and empathic towards.

Re: Google workers fired for protesting Israeli contract file NLRB complaint

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Post by linearrust »

What a difference a few years makes.

Top comment here : "Don’t do it at work."

Top comment a few years ago : "If you work at Google and you have participated in this protest: Thank you."

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17776276

The comments back then were very supportive of google employees protesting against china's censorship. While the top comments here seem to be against google employees protesting israeli war crimes.

Why? A bit of a head scratcher.

Re: Google workers fired for protesting Israeli contract file NLRB complaint

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Post by BobaFloutist »

linearrust wrote: post #242

What a difference a few years makes. Top comment here : "Don’t do it at work." Top comment a few years ago : "If you work at Google and you have participated in this protest: Thank you." https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17776276 The comments back then were very supportive of google employees protesting against china's censorship. While the top comments here seem to be against google employees protesting israeli w…

>Hundreds of Google employees, upset at the company’s decision to secretly build a censored version of its search engine for China, have signed a letter demanding more transparency to understand the ethical consequences of their work.

>Google fired 28 employees in connection with sit-in protests at two of its offices this week...Some of them occupied the office of Google Cloud CEO Thomas Kurian until they were forcibly removed by law enforcement.

Re: Google workers fired for protesting Israeli contract file NLRB complaint

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Post by BobaFloutist »

bjourne wrote: post #185
siva7 wrote: post #147

> “There’s been a total change in the way Google responds to employees trying to have a voice in their workplace,” the fired software engineer said. “It’s night and day from the Google of even five, 10 years ago.” Having a political voice is different than having a voice against sexual harassment at the workplace. Please don't mix things that don't belong together. Radically expressing your political voice during you…

Who says that a totalitarian attitude is desirable?? Freedom of speech implies that expressing your opinions should not cost you your job.

Is occupying your CEO's office until removed by law enforcement speech?

Re: Google workers fired for protesting Israeli contract file NLRB complaint

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Post by acoard »

linearrust wrote: post #242

What a difference a few years makes. Top comment here : "Don’t do it at work." Top comment a few years ago : "If you work at Google and you have participated in this protest: Thank you." https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17776276 The comments back then were very supportive of google employees protesting against china's censorship. While the top comments here seem to be against google employees protesting israeli w…

> Why? A bit of a head scratcher.

It is because not everyone sees Israel as committing war crimes. I'm not looking in getting into a debate about it, I don't think this is the appropriate thread and do not want to run afoul of HN guidelines. But to treat your question as if it is serious and sincere (i.e. not a rhetorical question) the answer is because many do not see Israel as committing war crimes but basically everyone agreed China was censoring. I'd also add that censorship can be a particularly sensitive topic the tech community is largely more polarized against than the wider country, whereas weapons of war are viewed by some as valid defensive work. Basically, nerds care about censorship disproportionately. And of course, opinions on both China and Israel would be baked into this too.

Again, not looking to get into the actual substance of these points here, merely answering your question for why large amounts of people see these as different.

Re: Google workers fired for protesting Israeli contract file NLRB complaint

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Post by cyanydeez »

linearrust wrote: post #242

What a difference a few years makes. Top comment here : "Don’t do it at work." Top comment a few years ago : "If you work at Google and you have participated in this protest: Thank you." https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17776276 The comments back then were very supportive of google employees protesting against china's censorship. While the top comments here seem to be against google employees protesting israeli w…

Free moneytrain is over and google is going full IBM Dinosaur, at best. Oracle dinosaur towards worse.

Re: Google workers fired for protesting Israeli contract file NLRB complaint

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Post by nolongerthere »

greenie_beans wrote: post #208
mvdtnz wrote: post #2

National Labor Relations Board, in case you're wondering. The author doesn't bother to define it until the 12th paragraph.

it's' in your interest to know that acronym, whether your a laborer or owner.

You assume everyone lives and works in the US. If you’re not then you have no idea that that is.

Re: Google workers fired for protesting Israeli contract file NLRB complaint

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Post by nickff »

giraffe_lady wrote: post #213
neverokay wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt that was their plan, since if it was going to go down like this, then you might as well have the cops drag you out the building. Protests don’t work if they can disperse of you that easily or cordon you off to a small block. If only a few of you get arrested and the rest of you disperse, it won’t work. If one of you get arrested, all of you should try to get arrested since they can’t fill up the jails with ev…

Yeah fair, I also figure they mostly weren't expecting to get fired. But once you have been you might as well use the system as fully as you can, eke something out of it.

Using the process seems like ‘abuse of process’ in cases like this where the protesters clearly violated the law and their obligations to their counterparty (in this case their employer).

Re: Google workers fired for protesting Israeli contract file NLRB complaint

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Post by runarberg »

siva7 wrote: post #233
runarberg wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is outlined in an 85 page filing to the ICJ—the world highest court—how this is a genocide. Your rebuttal is not a rebuttal, nobody is claiming that “every bad thing or territorial war, even of conquest, is a genocide” . People are claiming, and are being backed in said claim by several governments, international organization, the UN, and the world court, that this particular thing is a genocide.

Source? Not saying that you're fabricating bullshit but let's see.

This is one of the things that is easy to fact check. Usually you provide a source when you are making a specific claim based on an event or research e.g. “somebody said this” - “here is a link to the quote”, or “research has shown” - ”here is a link research”. However I made a general claim about a well documented subject. But very well, I made the claim, so it is up to me to prove it.

I cited an 85 page filing at the ICJ, and claimed that several governments, international organization, the UN, and the World Court has claimed this particular thing is a genocide. If you google “Gaza genocide” you will find all these claims in the first page of results. You may even find the 85 page filing (but in case you don’t, here is a link[1]).

There is a whole Wikipedia article dedicated to this subject[2], my claims can all be found there, particularly in the section titled: Statements by political organisations and governments. Finally, if you still in doubt, I’ll give you one more source, in particular where the UN is claiming that: “there are reasonable grounds to believe that the threshold indicating Israel’s commission of genocide is met” can be found in a report by the UN special rapporteur on the situation in Palestine[3].

1: https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192...

2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_genocide_in_the...

3: https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/hrbodies...

Re: Google workers fired for protesting Israeli contract file NLRB complaint

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Post by stormfather »

linearrust wrote: post #242

What a difference a few years makes. Top comment here : "Don’t do it at work." Top comment a few years ago : "If you work at Google and you have participated in this protest: Thank you." https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17776276 The comments back then were very supportive of google employees protesting against china's censorship. While the top comments here seem to be against google employees protesting israeli w…

Part of it is likely to be how the US government will react. If Google is seen as anti-China that is fine, if they are seen as anti-Israel they might lose important contracts.
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