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New findings point to an Earth-like environment on ancient Mars

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Re: New findings point to an Earth-like environment on ancient Mars

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I get your point, but the idea that life originates on Asteroids and populates planets on impact is, imo, likely. It does shift the question to “how did it start there” :)

do asteroids even have all the elements / compounds necessary to support the building blocks of life?

Yes. In fact some have surprisingly complex organic chemistry—amino acids and everything.

Re: New findings point to an Earth-like environment on ancient Mars

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I get your point, but the idea that life originates on Asteroids and populates planets on impact is, imo, likely. It does shift the question to “how did it start there” :)

do asteroids even have all the elements / compounds necessary to support the building blocks of life?

Apparently, yes.

But they don't have nearly as many opportunities to react as in a hot planet with an atmosphere. So pushing that life started there instead of only recognizing it's a very unlikely (but still possible) possibility isn't sustained by evidence.

Re: New findings point to an Earth-like environment on ancient Mars

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But then how did life get on mars?

I get your point, but the idea that life originates on Asteroids and populates planets on impact is, imo, likely. It does shift the question to “how did it start there” :)

After going back through all the elephants, life started with Great A'Tuin.

Re: New findings point to an Earth-like environment on ancient Mars

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Mars had 3/4 billion more years to develop, compared with the Earth. Mars formed first, and cooled first due to its smaller size. One of the outstanding problems in astrobiology I mention is that the Earth was inhospitable until 3.8Gya, and the oldest fossils of presumably DNA based life (since it matches existing life we can study) was 3.7Gya. Mars was hospitable ~4.5Gya. So either life emerged IMMEDIATELY on Earth…

How does earth get seeded?

Look up ALH-84001. The debate about whether the structures inside this Martian meteorite are fossils is too long for a HN post. But in analyzing the rock it was shown that the during the entire trip from when it was blasted out of Mars to when it fell in Antarctica would have been survivable for rock boring microbes. Not just theoretically, but hard evidence. There are structures that would have been destroyed if the rock was heated enough to sterilize, but they survived the trip. Hundreds of tons of rock like this from Mars land every year.

Re: New findings point to an Earth-like environment on ancient Mars

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Maybe we are about to discover that we came to Earth after messing up Mars.

You jest, but I seriously believe we are likely martians. Early panspermia from Mars settles a LOT of astrobiological questions about origin of life and LUCA complexity. To be clear, Mars’ descent into inhospitality was totally natural and the result of a smaller planet with stripped atmosphere just outside the habitable zone as the Sun cooled. I doubt Martian life developed to be multicellular. But I bet when we go…

so aliens did build the pyramids!

Re: New findings point to an Earth-like environment on ancient Mars

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Why don’t we just drill into mars and look for fossils? Easy peasy.

Why don't we just teach kids music by having them buy a cheap $3 plastic recorder and simply glue a mic to it that connects to a 13-minute-and-48-second delay line which feeds into to an expensive pair of noise-cancelling headphones that they wear during all practice sessions? Easy peasy. :)

If it’s the only option at the moment, sure let’s do it.

Beethoven’s ear trumpet.

Re: New findings point to an Earth-like environment on ancient Mars

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You jest, but I seriously believe we are likely martians. Early panspermia from Mars settles a LOT of astrobiological questions about origin of life and LUCA complexity. To be clear, Mars’ descent into inhospitality was totally natural and the result of a smaller planet with stripped atmosphere just outside the habitable zone as the Sun cooled. I doubt Martian life developed to be multicellular. But I bet when we go…

But then how did life get on mars?

I remember seeing somewhere a graph where someone plotted the "complexity" of life vs. time, I think on a log plot, and found a straight line. The line goes to (log) 0 around 5 billion years before the formation of the solar system. The inference from this admittedly dubious exercise was that life originated somewhere before our Solar system, spread here, and continued to evolve here.

I think it was maybe from this source? https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/B97801...

Re: New findings point to an Earth-like environment on ancient Mars

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Why don’t we just drill into mars and look for fossils? Easy peasy.

I don't remember where I read it, but somebody wrote that a geologist with a hammer could do more science in an afternoon than all our mars probes have done combined. Its hard to do science with a rc car, even if said car is cutting edge.

What if we send a humanoid drone next?
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