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Re: Google workers fired for protesting Israeli contract file NLRB complaint

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Post by neverokay »

giraffe_lady wrote: post #198
bko wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're free to leave and should state their reasons. What they're not free to do is disrupt the mission of the company and feel entitled to do so without any consequences. These people weren't fired because they answered some question incorrectly on a mandatory survey. They laid on the floor, prevented people from doing their work and harassed people making many feel uncomfortable. When you see someone like that beh…

Getting publicly fired and then using your labor rights and bureaucratic processes to draw out the issue seems like a much more effective form of protest than just quitting. Their tactics are good here.

I doubt that was their plan, since if it was going to go down like this, then you might as well have the cops drag you out the building.

Protests don’t work if they can disperse of you that easily or cordon you off to a small block. If only a few of you get arrested and the rest of you disperse, it won’t work. If one of you get arrested, all of you should try to get arrested since they can’t fill up the jails with everyone.

If you are not going to go all the way then don’t bother with this shit. I don’t agree with the Jan 6 riots, but they mostly followed through lol. That’s pretty much how you have to do it, and if you have a really good cause (e.g something not retarded like defending trump), you’d have a lot of support.

College protesters need to straight up super glue themselves to the campus honestly if they really want to do this. Yes, actually glue on bare skin to surface. Then America can watch as the fire departments remove students one by one off the walls of the campus live lol.

Be sticky, protesters.

Re: Google workers fired for protesting Israeli contract file NLRB complaint

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Post by bjourne »

_heimdall wrote: post #169
krainboltgreene wrote: post #155

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You can find people who disagree with me about allowing mixed race couples, but it isn't meaningful to say that it's "purely based on personal opinion". You might as well also comment on how I used air to breath while writing it. No one was stopped from going to work. There were no "political debates" going on, much less "forced" on people. I swear you guys are just making stuff up to get mad at. I feel like there ar…

I had seen reports that there were people disrupting others trying to work in the office. I also expect that those protesting weren't talking about the weather, they would have been raising the issues they are there to protest. Call it what you want I guess, but that is IMO stopping work and engaging in political debate. I'm not sure why you reach for a straw man argument about air or mixed race couples, neither of t…

Then cite those "reports". Otherwise you are just contributing to the misinformation.

Re: Google workers fired for protesting Israeli contract file NLRB complaint

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Post by giraffe_lady »

neverokay wrote: post #211
giraffe_lady wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Getting publicly fired and then using your labor rights and bureaucratic processes to draw out the issue seems like a much more effective form of protest than just quitting. Their tactics are good here.

I doubt that was their plan, since if it was going to go down like this, then you might as well have the cops drag you out the building. Protests don’t work if they can disperse of you that easily or cordon you off to a small block. If only a few of you get arrested and the rest of you disperse, it won’t work. If one of you get arrested, all of you should try to get arrested since they can’t fill up the jails with ev…

Yeah fair, I also figure they mostly weren't expecting to get fired. But once you have been you might as well use the system as fully as you can, eke something out of it.

Re: Google workers fired for protesting Israeli contract file NLRB complaint

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Post by theossuary »

tekla wrote: post #189
bjourne wrote: post #185

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Who says that a totalitarian attitude is desirable?? Freedom of speech implies that expressing your opinions should not cost you your job.

I was told that speech had consequences and anything but the Govt literally silencing you was ok for decades. Damn. I guess that NOW HN cares about free speech, after highly paid fellows get fired from their jobs for doing dumb shit

You have it backwards. There's a huge backlash when somebody's fired for being racist, or homophobic, or transphobic. Now anti-authoritarian protestors are being doxxed, fired and arrested; yet I haven't heard a peep from those people who "believe in free speech."

Re: Google workers fired for protesting Israeli contract file NLRB complaint

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Post by [deleted] »

neverokay wrote: post #206
bjourne wrote: post #185

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Who says that a totalitarian attitude is desirable?? Freedom of speech implies that expressing your opinions should not cost you your job.

The issue with free speech historically or currently worldwide is that governments can silence, jail or kill you. It’s a civic issue, not business one.

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Re: Google workers fired for protesting Israeli contract file NLRB complaint

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Post by _heimdall »

bjourne wrote: post #212
_heimdall wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had seen reports that there were people disrupting others trying to work in the office. I also expect that those protesting weren't talking about the weather, they would have been raising the issues they are there to protest. Call it what you want I guess, but that is IMO stopping work and engaging in political debate. I'm not sure why you reach for a straw man argument about air or mixed race couples, neither of t…

Then cite those "reports". Otherwise you are just contributing to the misinformation.

Most articles circulating widely have included quotes from Google that the protesters that have been fired were physically disrupting those at work. I didn't expect that to be a contentious reference without a source, but sure here's one - https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/google-fires-more-worke...

To be clear, I'm well aware those are quotes from Google's PR department. I'm not taking them as true and was primarily building off other comments here. I think I covered that well by making sure I including "if true ..." caveats, not sure what else you'd want from me here other than to agree with you.

Re: Google workers fired for protesting Israeli contract file NLRB complaint

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Post by cogman10 »

bjourne wrote: post #185
siva7 wrote: post #147

> “There’s been a total change in the way Google responds to employees trying to have a voice in their workplace,” the fired software engineer said. “It’s night and day from the Google of even five, 10 years ago.” Having a political voice is different than having a voice against sexual harassment at the workplace. Please don't mix things that don't belong together. Radically expressing your political voice during you…

Who says that a totalitarian attitude is desirable?? Freedom of speech implies that expressing your opinions should not cost you your job.

No it does not and it never has.

Freedom of speech is a protection from the government, not other citizens.

And I suspect the only reason people take this view is because the speech is something they agree with. Would you, for example, feel like Google was being totalitarian if Hitler Hank hosted a sit in protest against the company for hiring people of color and he was subsequently fired?

Re: Google workers fired for protesting Israeli contract file NLRB complaint

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Post by runarberg »

lupire wrote: post #194
tovej wrote: post #168

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I don't see how that relates to my point. My point is that repercussions are happening to one side of the issue: those opposing genocide and apartheid. Two things I was sure of everyone could agree on are some of the most horrendous crimes against humanity you can commit. The genocide has been ongoing for multiple decades, Israel routinely bombs civilians in Gaza, and any Palestinians living in Israel have essentiall…

How is it a genocide if the victims have a larger population in the same location than when it started? Not every bad thing or territorial war, even of conquest, is a genocide.

It is outlined in an 85 page filing to the ICJ—the world highest court—how this is a genocide.

Your rebuttal is not a rebuttal, nobody is claiming that “every bad thing or territorial war, even of conquest, is a genocide”. People are claiming, and are being backed in said claim by several governments, international organization, the UN, and the world court, that this particular thing is a genocide.

Re: Google workers fired for protesting Israeli contract file NLRB complaint

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Post by [deleted] »

theossuary wrote: post #215
tekla wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was told that speech had consequences and anything but the Govt literally silencing you was ok for decades. Damn. I guess that NOW HN cares about free speech, after highly paid fellows get fired from their jobs for doing dumb shit

You have it backwards. There's a huge backlash when somebody's fired for being racist, or homophobic, or transphobic. Now anti-authoritarian protestors are being doxxed, fired and arrested; yet I haven't heard a peep from those people who "believe in free speech."

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