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DuckDuckGo Cooks Google's Goose

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Re: DuckDuckGo Cooks Google's Goose

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What I like about DDG: - Somebody is trying to improve the search engine space which is too long dominated by just one party (which admittedly makes a damn good job) What I don't like: - I don't see any improvements - Don't like their name - Crappy logo - Too long domain name (with some skills and little money, a great 4-letter dot com is a no brainer) - The product is awkward to use: the entire UI is the #1 reason t…

I do see improvements. I often see information captured from the top result and displayed in the box at the top of the search. I've had better results on ddg on numerous occasions.

http://ddg.gg

I don't have any further disagreements.

Re: DuckDuckGo Cooks Google's Goose

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google gives me over 200 million, 9 which are useful, Bing over 44 million, 10 which are useful. There, fixed that for you.

You fixed it for you, not for me. DuckDuckGo does not tell me the data pool they are recommending results to me from. That is huge to me.

Well it uses Bing as it's index, so 44 million.

Re: DuckDuckGo Cooks Google's Goose

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post #43

What I like about DDG: - Somebody is trying to improve the search engine space which is too long dominated by just one party (which admittedly makes a damn good job) What I don't like: - I don't see any improvements - Don't like their name - Crappy logo - Too long domain name (with some skills and little money, a great 4-letter dot com is a no brainer) - The product is awkward to use: the entire UI is the #1 reason t…

You can use http://ddg.gg if domain length is enough of an issue for you.

Re: DuckDuckGo Cooks Google's Goose

#54
I'm quite surprised at the amount of vitriol for DDG in the comments here. I switched many months ago -- probably nearing a year now -- and haven't looked back.

I definitely appreciate the effort that has been put into privacy and simplicity. The zero-click box has come in handy at times (though I often find myself clicking through the box anyway, in which case it's a glorified top result, and that's okay with me). My most used feature by far, though, has been the bang syntax, to reference the Java API or search HN or check Stack Overflow or pull up a Google map or explore Wikipedia. I think the bang syntax experience might be frustrating for people who navigate to DDG and then type in a bang query... but if you've got DDG set as your browser's default search, the bang syntax is a nice timesaver: open a new tab (autofocus into the URL bar), type in your site-targeted query, hit Enter, done. I save one page load every time I do a site-specific search, compared to what my experience would be on any other search engine, and considering the proportion of my browser time spent in searches, I think that's a decent amount of time saved. [I mean, there are people on HN who quibble over how many keystrokes they can save in their terminal aliases, after all!]

That doesn't mean I think DDG is perfect; my major annoyance is results from content farms (same as any major search engine), but I'm hard pressed to find a search engine that weeds out content farms without sacrificing the features I like from DDG. The name doesn't roll as trippingly off the tongue as some other sites, but is it really that much worse than any of the other search engines (or names of YC companies, for that matter) and does the name affect my ability to use the site?

As you hyperbolically express your disgust towards DDG, please remember that you don't get any points in life for hating a product that you aren't forced to use and that other people find helpful.

Re: DuckDuckGo Cooks Google's Goose

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post #43

What I like about DDG: - Somebody is trying to improve the search engine space which is too long dominated by just one party (which admittedly makes a damn good job) What I don't like: - I don't see any improvements - Don't like their name - Crappy logo - Too long domain name (with some skills and little money, a great 4-letter dot com is a no brainer) - The product is awkward to use: the entire UI is the #1 reason t…

> - Too long domain name (with some skills and little money, a great 4-letter dot com is a no brainer)

They do have ddg.gg as a short alias to the full domain, though that doesn't address the .com suggestion at all. For that, they also have dukgo.com which I thought was another alias, but it appears that's being used for a community platform now.

I think it would have made more sense to reverse those two domains and have dukgo.com point to the search engine itself, and leave the more esoteric ddg.gg domain to the community platform. People invested in the platform would have an easier time remembering the "weird" domain than the general public (i.e. the folks who they need to use the search engine) would.

Re: DuckDuckGo Cooks Google's Goose

#56

The comments on HN in the past few weeks have been so mean spirited. What happened? I chalked Facebook up to schadenfreude -- but DDG?

Perhaps HN is at the tipping point that killed Digg? I hope not. Or at least that PG enforces his right to ban people over comments that can only be described as hash and not constructive.

Re: DuckDuckGo Cooks Google's Goose

#57

Am I the only one that struggles with the name "DuckDuckGo?" The unprofessional name makes it really hard for me to want to use the service, even if it has nice targeted results that may be more relevant or higher quality than Google's. Maybe "unprofessional" is not the right adjective, but I can't find the right one. I have the same problem with "Bing" - the logo is just such an eyesore, and the marketing is so obno…

It would certainly prevent me from recommending it to friends. Just too embarrassing.

Re: DuckDuckGo Cooks Google's Goose

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I'm so sick of these DDG stories. The truth is no one uses them, 99.9999% of people outside SV have never heard of them and currently there is no reason to switch to them.

The thing I don't understand is, for all that DDG does, there's really nothing that Google and/or Bing couldn't just copy wholesale if it were really that great. The ONLY thing DuckDuckGo can do that Google won't is "privacy" (maybe "less ads" is another thing). While that might be reason enough for some people to switch, it's barely going to make a dent in Google's dominance.

Sometimes the value can be in what you don't do, e.g. keeping things simple.

Re: DuckDuckGo Cooks Google's Goose

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post #48
post #43

What I like about DDG: - Somebody is trying to improve the search engine space which is too long dominated by just one party (which admittedly makes a damn good job) What I don't like: - I don't see any improvements - Don't like their name - Crappy logo - Too long domain name (with some skills and little money, a great 4-letter dot com is a no brainer) - The product is awkward to use: the entire UI is the #1 reason t…

Google has four colours in their name. The length of the url isn't that big of a deal to me. I just type 'du' and the first url autosuggested is duckduckgo.

> Google has four colours in their name.

Yes, but just in their logo, that's ok because the rest of Google stands behind the expressive logo, is clear, has lots of white space, decent colors etc.

Now go to DDG: read header, blue search button on result page and green search button on landing, what the heck?? Strange colors in the text results and this ugly duck, sorry but getting a really nice duck on freelancer.com or 99design from a talented artist is a job of 500 USD.

> The length of the url isn't that big of a deal to me. I just type 'du' and the first url autosuggested is duckduckgo.

No, it's a big deal even if your browser provides autocomplete, The domain is everything: their brand, their name and will used anywhere and all the time. Just saying "check duckduckgo for searching this and that" or "i duckduckgoed my name" to your friend or colleague is too much communication overhead, too many syllables for something which is too important in our lifes nowadays.

And those both points bug me, because if they haven't done their basic homework on the frontend side who tells me that they done them on the backend side where it is more important (relevance algorithm)—why should I trust DDG's search results if they are not able to setup a proper brand communcation and interface?

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