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US drug control agency will move to reclassify marijuana

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Post by ClassyJacket »

a13o wrote: post #461
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #258

There you have it, the administrator themselves saying they believe in myths about cannabis: It’s a gateway drug; while simultaneously ignoring that the drug killing people, fent has a perfectly causal gateway drug in vicodin/percs > Jack Riley, a former deputy administrator of the DEA, said he had concerns about the proposed change because he thinks marijuana remains a possible “gateway drug,” one that may lead to t…

I think these 'gateway drug' believers will be pleasantly surprised. One reason it's a gateway drug is because of a line of thought like this: 1) Govt says cannabis is the most dangerous drug. 2) I try cannabis, nothing bad happens. 3) So when the govt says drugs are dangerous, they are incorrect? I guess I can't use their rating system and will have to base it on my own experiences. There is a trust penalty for over…

This is precisely how my thought process went back when I used to use drugs heavily.

I remember a teacher telling me drugs make hair grow out of your teeth. I figured if drugs were really that bad they wouldn't need to lie about what they do.

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Post by triceratops »

thegrim33 wrote: post #490
triceratops wrote: post #266

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Your own link says it's 70% in favor of legalization and 29% against. 29% is as close to "a quarter of the population" as it is to "a third of the population" - 400 basis points. Putting it another way nearly 3 quarters of citizens want it legalized. That's massive. It's as close to unanimous consensus as you can get on a hot-button issue like drugs.

So, just to clarify, you're actually taking issue with me referring to 29% as one third, while you have no issue referring to 70% as 100%? Either way, there's still over a hundred million human beings living in your country that disagree with you. Call it whatever you want but don't dismiss it.

> while you have no issue referring to 70% as 100%?

And you have no issue putting words in my mouth. I said it was close to three-quarters, is "massive" and that you can't get closer to unanimous than that.

> Call it whatever you want but don't dismiss it.

29% want to lock up the other 71% for consuming a plant. And we don't know for sure that all of that 29% are entirely clean themselves.

So why not dismiss it? Why does the 29%'s opinion matter here? If 29% of the population said you should jail people for premarital sex, or smoking, or wearing shorts, or whistling in elevators, would you take them seriously?

A simple majority or supermajority is more than enough to legalize or abolish anything. Pretty much no issue requires 100% of everyone to agree.

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Post by dbtc »

jiayo wrote: post #129
Scoundreller wrote: post #35

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Hasn’t really happened in Canada. I think a small-player alcohol company did move in, but only after the bubble popped. Turns out legalization of a drug doesn’t lead to massive increases in consumption. Who knew. Definitely kneecapped the black market though: most moved to the legal side and black market prices cratered.

Big tobacco might have stayed out of the fray but since legalization the vape giant JUUL owns and operates dispensaries.

> Altria Group (formerly Philip Morris Companies), acquired a 35% stake in Juul Labs for $12.8 billion on December 20, 2018. Altria is the largest tobacco company in the United States.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juul

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Post by [deleted] »

bogtog wrote: post #500
pixelpoet wrote: post #339

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Anecdote: I've had countless dealers over 20 years in many countries and continents, not once has someone tried to sell me anything else (besides hash). It's always been some cheery barefoot guy with dreads growing it in his closet. Now that it's legal in Germany I'm going to grow my own, and experience the (surprisingly common!) miracle of harvesting the exact legal limit of 25 grams from 3 plants ;)

However, if you wanted something other than weed, you would have someone who may be able to help you out

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Post by hollerith »

int_19h wrote: post #482
hollerith wrote: post #250

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I bet that in the US, no health insurer will ever pay for an insured person's marijuana.

I bet that CBD will be covered very quickly, because it really does work very well for so many things, so it shouldn't take long to have enough studies clearly in support of it.

Are there strains of marijuana high in CBD but almost absent of THC?

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Post by joezydeco »

gwbas1c wrote: post #436
joecool1029 wrote: post #211

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> I hope all these small/mid sized businesses don’t get gulped up by big tobacco or other mega corps Calling it: CVS and Walgreens will move into the medical market for this. You think these little shops will be able to process health insurance payments when that sector gets in on it? lol

I could see them carrying CBD in pill / gelcap form. (It pretty much snuffs out my migraines.) I don't think they'll carry intoxicating forms of marijuana, though. (I've never seen a CVS with alcohol, but that could be because of how my state handles liquor licenses.)

CVS in Illinois definitely sells liquor. They seemed to switch to it around the same time they publicly announced they wouldn't sell tobacco anymore.

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Post by stevenwoo »

squigz wrote: post #487
stevenwoo wrote: post #347

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This discrepancy had the effect of jump starting the prominence of large chinese gangs in the marijuana and fentany and money laundering business in the USA, incidentally contributing to home shortage because they bought homes in California to grow pre pandemic and in Oklahoma now. There’s lots of older articles about California but some recent OK news https://www.kosu.org/news/2024-03-18/gangsters-money-and-mur...

Interesting use of italics

I thought it was of most relevance that gangs stepped in when the comment I was responding to was more concerned with larger companies and them being Chinese is a weird detail since one would have expected one of existing gangs in USA already like those with central or South American cartels instead.

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Post by giantg2 »

cryptonector wrote: post #335
giantg2 wrote: post #325

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Yep, some people tested this same theory out for firearms (or was it suppressors?) all produced and sold in one state in accordance with state laws. Of course the Feds shut that down and the courts agreed. The only reason they don't do this with pot is because they don't feel like it.

I believe that case is not resolved yet.

Maybe it was the other case from that same state where they said state law enforcement couldn't assist the feds in enforcing federal gun laws.
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