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Re: Google workers fired for protesting Israeli contract file NLRB complaint

#41

I’m assuming at will employment makes this very unlikely to be successful.

Well you can't fire people for political reasons. It's a protected category. So the crux of it will likely depend on if there's similar protests from opposing viewpoints that were not dealt with similarly. Eg. If there were any counter protestors at the same event that weren't also fired that's a reasonably clear cut case of firing a group for political views.

Political affiliation is not a protected class. California law does restrict employers from punishing employees for their political activities, but this generally applies to activities done outside of work.

Re: Google workers fired for protesting Israeli contract file NLRB complaint

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Has anybody noticed that whenever the protests pop up. Major news outlets tend to spin them as some sort of haven for “anti-Semitism” or cite them as the “violent protests”. I have yet to see organizations (at least on the ground, in major press releases) cite anything that represents hate against the Jewish population. Only rhetoric I have heard is those protesting the horrific actions of the Israeli government/mili…

Just one example:

"Eby’s remarks on the encampment came after he and other politicians denounced an earlier demonstration in Vancouver where protesters chanted “long live Oct. 7,” praising that day’s attacks by Hamas on Israel."

https://www.cheknews.ca/eby-deplores-most-hateful-speech-pra...

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/group-banned-in-germany-get...

I think Israel's PR machine is very ineffective. It's swamped by anti-Israeli PR. E.g. where do you get "bombing of hospitals"? How many hospitals in Gaza were bombed? Which hospitals specifically are they, what were the circumstances, what damage did they sustain?

Re: Google workers fired for protesting Israeli contract file NLRB complaint

#44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did Google change, or was this protest substantially different in character? In the reporting TFA links to about Maven I don't see any sign of employees staging disruptive protests on Google property. This is how Gizmodo describes that protest [0]: > Google’s decision to provide artificial intelligence to the Defense Department for the analysis of drone footage has prompted backlash from Google employees and academic…

I think the difference in the number of participants and base of support is material. That said, the 2018 protests were definitely more disruptive than this one. 20,000 employees left their desks. [1] Part of it might also be that several of the organizers of the 2018 walkouts left Google in the months following the walkouts (including Meredith Whittaker, who now runs the company behind Signal). I think my original a…

Walkouts are very different in character. It's a mini-strike, not an occupation. People voluntarily leave their jobs for a day, they don't sit in someone else's workspace and prevent them from doing theirs.

Sure, it's more disruptive to the company because the numbers are larger, but the damage done by each individual ends at not doing their work for the day. It's a statement of "this is what your company will look like if you don't address this" not "we're going to make a scene and hang out in your personal space".

Re: Google workers fired for protesting Israeli contract file NLRB complaint

#45

Rule number one of being a rebel. Don’t do it at work. Protest all you want in the public streets where you have freedom of assembly. You do NOT have that freedom within a corporate office building. Regardless of employer. A few firings and maybe they’ll get the message to take it outside. I empathize with people wanting to speak out over something they are passionate about. I do this often. Just know your venue and…

>> Rule number one of being a rebel. Don’t do it at work

By doing it at work, they are risking high paying jobs, putting their careers at risk. In public.

Risking something for a protest is the whole point. To the extent that they do that with their eyes open, risking high paying jobs, they are heroes.

If they do that thinking the people who control Google will be fine with that and they will still keep their jobs, they are, well, without jobs.

Re: Google workers fired for protesting Israeli contract file NLRB complaint

#46

Googler protests in the past have typically been walk-outs and other outdoor gatherings. This protest took place within the offices. Some of the protestors occupied senior executives' offices for many hours, and had to be removed by the police. Some of the protestors also streamed their protest from within the offices of the notoriously confidentiality-obsessed company. I don't buy the narrative that Google is cracki…

The idea that live streaming the protests was going to leak corporate secrets is also laughable.

Re: Google workers fired for protesting Israeli contract file NLRB complaint

#47
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Has anybody noticed that whenever the protests pop up. Major news outlets tend to spin them as some sort of haven for “anti-Semitism” or cite them as the “violent protests”. I have yet to see organizations (at least on the ground, in major press releases) cite anything that represents hate against the Jewish population. Only rhetoric I have heard is those protesting the horrific actions of the Israeli government/mili…

Does this qualify?

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/ucb-police-seek-...

"The five people were part of a group of about 200 protesters, who on Feb. 26 broke down the door of Zellerbach Playhouse and smashed a window to prevent Israeli lawyer Ran Bar-Yoshafat from addressing a group of Jewish students. Danielle Sobkin, co-president of Bears for Israel, one of the campus groups who invited Bar-Yoshafat, said after the protest that members of the mob grabbed a student trying to attend the event, called him a “dirty Jew” and spat on him."

Re: Google workers fired for protesting Israeli contract file NLRB complaint

#48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If it’s the latter, please point me to evidence of pro-Palestine organizations supporting the violent actions of Hamas terrorists. I don’t want to see individuals that have no visible ties spouting bullshit. There should be a press release by the orgs or leaders of these orgs stating this as such. The question is whether this is an unreasonably strong standard. Even Hamas themselves have not issued a clear official…

These protests aren't about Hamas though. There are other protests about that, and surely those are valid. These protests are about Israel's campaign of what UN officials say is genocide. Most attempts to change the subject to Hamas are bad faith attempts to protect Israel from culpability.

UN officials don't say it's genocide and anyways they're not the arbiters of that claim. Changing the subject to Hamas is not bad faith. Hamas is the ruler of Gaza, was voted into power, and enjoys support of most Palestinians. It's impossible for Israel to "separate" its war on Hamas from the population within it resides. The ignoring of Hamas by the anti-Israel crowd is what's bad faith.

Do you separate the Russians from Putin? Should we boycott Ukraine from attacking Russians and not fighting directly with Putin? Do you have any other realistic examples that support your idea that somehow we can ignore the topic of Hamas here? Are the anti-Israel protesters being clear about their stance on Hamas and terrorism?

Re: Google workers fired for protesting Israeli contract file NLRB complaint

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post #42
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Has anybody noticed that whenever the protests pop up. Major news outlets tend to spin them as some sort of haven for “anti-Semitism” or cite them as the “violent protests”. I have yet to see organizations (at least on the ground, in major press releases) cite anything that represents hate against the Jewish population. Only rhetoric I have heard is those protesting the horrific actions of the Israeli government/mili…

Just one example: "Eby’s remarks on the encampment came after he and other politicians denounced an earlier demonstration in Vancouver where protesters chanted “long live Oct. 7,” praising that day’s attacks by Hamas on Israel." https://www.cheknews.ca/eby-deplores-most-hateful-speech-pra... https://nationalpost.com/opinion/group-banned-in-germany-get... I think Israel's PR machine is very ineffective. It's swamped b…

> bombing of hospitals

https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2024/01/middleeast/gaza-hosp...

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/longform/2024/4/18/satellite-...

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/jordan-field-hospital-i...

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/12/18/bloodbath-israel-k...

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/26/world/middleeast/gaza-isr...

https://www.who.int/news/item/06-04-2024-six-months-of-war-l...

Re: Google workers fired for protesting Israeli contract file NLRB complaint

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Has anybody noticed that whenever the protests pop up. Major news outlets tend to spin them as some sort of haven for “anti-Semitism” or cite them as the “violent protests”. I have yet to see organizations (at least on the ground, in major press releases) cite anything that represents hate against the Jewish population. Only rhetoric I have heard is those protesting the horrific actions of the Israeli government/mili…

Obviously not all protesters are anti-semitic but you must be willfully ignorant to honestly believe that none of them are. For example, here are some signs that have been found in protests (you can find examples on google):

- "from the river to the sea" -> implies the destruction of Israel

- "keep the world clean" -> seems to imply some sort of "cleansing" of Jews

- "by any means necessary" -> seems to condone violence against Jews

I'm sure you can find other examples very easily.

I will admit that I didn't see anything overtly anti-semitic from the Google protesters specifically. Of course, it seems they were fired for violating workplace rules, not their actual viewpoint.

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