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Re: US drug control agency will move to reclassify marijuana

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Post by 14u2c »

CydeWeys wrote: post #194
bobthepanda wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

there is still a lot of cash on site due to the presence of an ATM though, and in the cash registers. the primary problem is that weed shops are incredibly attractive robbery targets due to being one of the few businesses in 2024 that handle large amounts of cash.

I think the ATM isn't actually dispensing cash. You're doing an ATM transaction for a certain amount of money, but what you're actually getting is weed. It's not just "You can buy with cash, and we conveniently have an ATM available to get cash if you didn't go to your bank."

Nope, it's just a regular ATM operated by a 3rd party company. You get cash from it then give them the cash. The store will also often reimburse for the ATM fee.

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Post by bbarn »

EA-3167 wrote: post #364
bbarn wrote: post #358

I really don't think this is a positive in any way, unless you oppose recreational marijuana usage. Making it a schedule III puts it back in "Doctor prescription" territory, and since there's now a legal route to getting it, a lot of these businesses that have operated with impunity are breaking a different set of laws if it's schedule III. No doubt that laws and decriminalization statutes would need to be updated to…

You seem to believe that a move from Schedule I (totally illegal to sell) to Schedule III (legal to sell under some circumstances) is going to hit the reset button on state laws around cannabis. That seems unlikely, the states are already ignoring the feds on this, this is just a step the feds are taking to bring the federal legal landscape closer to the state landscape. The major changes will simply be, as others ha…

Once there is a framework for legal sale, and regulations around it, you think all these states will continue to just not comply?

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Post by romellem »

colpabar wrote: post #120
paxys wrote: post #102

On one hand I'm very happy with all the recent policy changes coming down from different federal agencies, but on the other there's a very high likelihood that they will all be reversed a few months from now if/when a new administration takes over. That is always the downside of executive rule. With Congress unwilling/incapable of acting though I guess this is the best we'll get.

What bothers me is that all these things are only happening because it's an election year and the incumbent doesn't have great polling numbers.

This is misinformation.

Biden directed the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) to reexamine the scheduling of marijuana in October 2022.

Nearly a year later in August 2023, the HHS wrote to the DEA recommending that marijuana be reclassified from Schedule I to Schedule III.

A month ago, the DEA was still "writing [their] recommendation" on what they should reclassify marijuana to (if any change was to happen).

And just now, April 2024, the DEA agreed with HHS (as reported by AP, DEA hasn't confirmed this yet).

So no, this isn't "just happening" now, this has been going on for years.

[1]: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases... [2]: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-08-30/hhs-calls... [3]: https://twitter.com/DEAHQ/status/1772987478548287891

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Post by beaeglebeachh »

cogman10 wrote: post #385
jkaplowitz wrote: post #313

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But it does mean that it will actually, for the first time ever in living memory, be possible for someone to fully federally legally possess a THC-active form of cannabis without further Congressional action. I'm not sure if a state-legal cannabis supply chain could be fully federally legal in this context, but imagine if a pharma company goes through the FDA approval process for a THC pill and then doctors prescribe…

> for the first time ever in living memory My parents are still alive and they were alive when THC was legal. This is what's bonkers to me, THC being criminalized happened very recently.

Very briefly. Until recent history the 10th amendment was understood to constrain the government from going outside enumerated powers, like intrastate commerce. This is why they needed an amendment instead of law to federally outright ban alcohol. Thus weed had an essentially unpayable 'tax' that got overturned by Timothy Leary

Then it was legal for like a year until feds realized they didn't need to follow the Constitution and they just outright made it illegal, no matter if it's actually interstate.

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Post by jjulius »

omgCPhuture wrote: post #269
eyelidlessness wrote: post #51

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A couple quick thoughts, having worked in the legal cannabis industry (now a few years out): - Consolidation is already happening in a lot of ways, in some cases despite state laws designed to prevent it - Consolidation by big tobacco seems less likely than probably other major industry incumbents (in the long run, I’d bet on companies primarily oriented around alcohol) - Federal posture since Cole (when first states…

Tobacco smoke killed ALL my grandparents, well, well one of them would have died from alcohol use, as he was a fisherman and they drink a lot. My uncle died from liver and bowel cancer, the liver cancer stems from alcohol consumption, or rather it's metabolite, acetaldehyde, which is _scary as hell_: It makes cancerous scar tissue of whatever it touches, thats why alcoholics die from liver failure: it becomes all sca…

... what?

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Post by moomoo11 »

dev1ycan wrote: post #21

I'm sorry but after seeing how american gradually get into worse and worse drugs, and seeing channel 5's video on people using tranq... yeah I think complete ban on drugs for non medical reasons is the best choice.

Make money for yourself and live your best life.

There’s no point in caring too much about anything or anyone else. Free will and all that.

Not my problem. I have insurances and pay for services.

I’ve pretty much accepted that most people are just there to destroy society. So I stopped caring about anyone but myself.

The only people I will get up and help are my direct blood relatives.

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Post by romellem »

vkou wrote: post #2

It's actually wild what the executive can get done in an election year... With the side effect of dangling bait for legislators to take a contrarian, nationally unpopular position.

It has been a multi-year effort to get the DEA to reclassify marijuana, starting in 2022. It starts with the President telling the HHS to provide a new recommendation to the DEA, and the finally for the DEA to decide what to do on that recommendation.

- https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases...

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Post by yogurtboy »

mattmaroon wrote: post #367
bobthepanda wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

there is still a lot of cash on site due to the presence of an ATM though, and in the cash registers. the primary problem is that weed shops are incredibly attractive robbery targets due to being one of the few businesses in 2024 that handle large amounts of cash.

My brother supervises at a dispensary. They are not attractive robbery targets at all. They have a lot of security. Like a bank, they expect the amount of cash would bring trouble if they were not prepared. Unlike a bank, they don't dispense much cash (just petty change) so they don't even have to leave much in the drawers, which are emptied frequently and dropped into a safe nobody there can access. They have cash-h…

That dig at employees of dispensaries is really low

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Post by EA-3167 »

bbarn wrote: post #392
EA-3167 wrote: post #364

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You seem to believe that a move from Schedule I (totally illegal to sell) to Schedule III (legal to sell under some circumstances) is going to hit the reset button on state laws around cannabis. That seems unlikely, the states are already ignoring the feds on this, this is just a step the feds are taking to bring the federal legal landscape closer to the state landscape. The major changes will simply be, as others ha…

Once there is a framework for legal sale, and regulations around it, you think all these states will continue to just not comply?

They've been thumbing their nose at more more serious laws until now, why would a downgrade in consequences suddenly make them burn down industries that bring in billions?

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Post by saalweachter »

tialaramex wrote: post #333
alistairSH wrote: post #312

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I largely agree. Alcohol is broadly available/legal due to historical quirks, not sane regulation in relation to other similar (social impact, not chemistry) drugs. Same for tobacco to an extent.

Also booze is really easy to make. Marijuana is hardly difficult but if you ain't got any plants somebody has to smuggle them to you, whereas if you've got a bunch of say, apples, or potatoes, or berries - which are just food - the only thing that prevents you from having booze is constant oversight to ensure you don't allow the food to be converted into booze. I can see tobacco becoming effectively a Schedule III ty…

Shit, you can accidentally make alcohol.
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