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US drug control agency will move to reclassify marijuana

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Post by toomuchtodo »

swalling wrote: post #146
andrewxdiamond wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of them have wiggled around this problem by offering “atms” at the cash register. You pay with a debit card, but it’s not a normal transaction, it’s an ATM withdrawal! I don’t understand how the money is vended to the business, but it keeps it out of the store

Yes this seems to be increasingly common, at least on the west coast. The suboptimal part is that the buyer typically gets hit with an out-of-network ATM fee for doing this, so the consumer is paying $2-5 for processing per transaction.

You can use a brokerage account that reimburses atm fees.

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Post by NegativeLatency »

Alupis wrote: post #73
NegativeLatency wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a very un-nuanced take on what happened in Portland, and lines up with what the uncritical and uninformed national reporting about Portland has been saying. It was not successful, but it was also never effectively funded, not implemented well, and rolled out in a rush.

> It was not successful, but it was also never effectively funded, not implemented well, and rolled out in a rush. So... like almost every government program? What makes you convinced it can actually be achieved in reality? With real people, real politicians, real budgets that get robbed for other pet projects down the line... Even if it was achieved in reality - let's pretend to wave a magic wand - what is the expec…

> What makes you convinced it can actually be achieved in reality?

It may never be achieved, regardless of my or your personal views on the subject at hand I think reasonable people can agree if you try and do something but do it poorly, and it doesn't work, that's not necessarily a failure of the thing but more a failure of the execution.

ex: I'm bad at welding so therefore welding is not a good way to hold two pieces of metal together, is an invalid/incorrect conclusion.

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Post by bitxbitxbitcoin »

Major impact will also be felt at cannabis research at land grant universities. Aka all the experiments to prove obvious stuff like different cultivars affect different people differently can finally happen at scale.

See cannabisstudieslab.com as an example of the kind of non plant touching research that Cannabis Studies majors have been doing due to the Schedule I status.

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Post by NewJazz »

ncr100 wrote: post #75
mannyv wrote: post #56

One major effect of this is that weed stores will be able to use banks and payment processors legally once the regulators catch up.

THEREFORE they will be able to move CASH money out of their stores TO BANKS, resulting in fewer "smash and grab" incidents ... aka, "Hyundai meet storefront of weed shop." Looking forward to this, silly to see so many Kia "boys" being used for gross violence crimes when regulation changes could lessen it. > https://www.king5.com/article/news/crime/seattle-pot-shop-cr... for example

The poor San Bernardino Sheriff's department is going to need a new funding source, too.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-01-28/marijuan...

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Post by ciabattabread »

triceratops wrote: post #64
cynicalsecurity wrote: post #31

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> A safe, productive and prosperous society cannot be built by drug addicts. Historian Niall Ferguson has argued that the British Empire was built on a collective caffeine and sugar high, from imported tea and cane sugar from its colonies and trading partners.

Don't forget about tobacco and opium.

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Post by kstrauser »

booleandilemma wrote: post #135
kstrauser wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People wanna get high. There's a plausible hypothesis that we invented farming to have a more reliable way to make beer. We have 2 main options: 1. Attempt to ban it. 2. Accept that people are going to get high, and try to limit the harm. The first has been a complete and utter disaster. The second -- e.g. applying the same rules about who can use it and where they can use it as alcohol -- is the only sane option. Pr…

3. Make our society so pleasant to live in that people want to experience their day-to-day lives with their minds free from drugs.

Why? Drugs are fun. I drank a hot cup of coffee this morning and enjoyed the warmth, taste, and way it made me feel. Those were all pleasant sensations that would be hard to get another way. Why shouldn't I be allowed to experience them?

Roller coaster rides are fun and cause a release of adrenalin in me, which leads to feeling hyperalert, excited, and energized. That's fun! I don't want to live in a society that wouldn't let me enjoy adrenalin releases.

This morning my wife told me she loved me, and I enjoyed a nice wash of endorphins from it. What's wrong with enjoying that?

The common thread here is that there's not a clean dividing line between "bad" drugs and "good" drugs. All animals enjoy certain chemicals. We're evolved to. That's what makes us (in nature) dig into food that's healthy for us, and drives us to reproduce. A mind free from drugs is going to die of misery in relatively short order.

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Post by NewJazz »

andrewxdiamond wrote: post #93
mannyv wrote: post #56

One major effect of this is that weed stores will be able to use banks and payment processors legally once the regulators catch up.

A lot of them have wiggled around this problem by offering “atms” at the cash register. You pay with a debit card, but it’s not a normal transaction, it’s an ATM withdrawal! I don’t understand how the money is vended to the business, but it keeps it out of the store

Does it actually keep cash out of the store? They might just have to keep track of it at the back of house still.

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Post by laidoffamazon »

segasaturn wrote: post #10
vkou wrote: post #2

It's actually wild what the executive can get done in an election year... With the side effect of dangling bait for legislators to take a contrarian, nationally unpopular position.

Election year and not to mention that the President's numbers are in shambles with younger voters. This move feels extremely transparent to me.

Yeah, he's doing something that's reasonably popular among everyone. How dare he?

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Post by lambdaba »

zingababba wrote: post #165
lambdaba wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As Terence McKenna used to say, caffeine is legal because it keeps the worker bees working throughout the afternoon.

He said that while high on cannabis, most definitely.

He was a self-confessed chronic user, granted, it was old-school weed so I don't know how that would scale with what's available nowadays.

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Post by NewJazz »

beaeglebeachh wrote: post #166
andrewxdiamond wrote: post #6

Weed being illegal on a federal level has had some interesting effects. Because of these laws, all legal weed has to be grown, processed, and retailed within a single state. So much industry and local employment has been created by the legal barriers in place. It’s probably still a net positive to release the federal restriction, but I hope all these small/mid sized businesses don’t get gulped up by big tobacco or ot…

Keeping in state doesn't help. It's still interstate commerce even just picking a plant and smoking on site non-commercially. Just walking an object within 1000 ft of a school, non-commercially, is interstate commerce.

According to a really old SC decision that rests on shaky foundations at best.
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