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Re: Run0, a systemd based alternative to sudo, announced

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

immibis wrote: post #148

This will be great. We can finally deprecate sudo on systemd systems. Then we should be able to deprecate PAM, setuid bit, etc.

I can see creating a system with zero setuid files, but I don't think this reduces PAM use, does it?

Re: Run0, a systemd based alternative to sudo, announced

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Post by ghostpepper »

jauntywundrkind wrote: post #138
hxelk1 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> you can actually declare startup dependencies and other useful relationships In theory, yes. In practice, I had a lot of trouble ordering things correctly in non-trivial cases. > it's quite annoying that the armchair linux experts complain about how "lol systemd is so stupid for reinventing the wheel, give me my shell scripts back" I can only speak for myself, but I don't want the abysmal sysvinit scripts back. I j…

The other pieces are also pretty excellent. Ifup gave me no joy & was very limited. Systemd-networkd is a wonderful option with vast & great capabilities, that meshes well with the init process & it's style. Systemd-timesyncd is fine, I dunno, works for me. Systemd-journald is probably the weakest of the batch but mostly because it's not very ambitious; I loath that there's no way to really deal with super-active pro…

Is there a good overview of these pieces and what they're responsible for and how they fit together?

I had a quick skim of the docs on systemd.io and there are quite a few documents but they don't seem particularly organized and I couldn't see a good architecture overview.

Re: Run0, a systemd based alternative to sudo, announced

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Post by ranger_danger »

kbar13 wrote: post #45

systemd has been a net positive for the linux ecosystem. remember when you had to write bash scripts to start, stop, restart services and handle any other signals you want to send it? nowadays it's a unit file (basically just an ini file) away with relatively straightforward API. and you can actually declare startup dependencies and other useful relationships past just "prepend a number signifying when it should run…

> systemd has been a net positive for the linux ecosystem

I guess that depends on whether or not you consider the great number of CVEs caused by it don't matter enough.

Re: Run0, a systemd based alternative to sudo, announced

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Post by IntelMiner »

CuriousCosmic wrote: post #151

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You're always welcome to write an alternative if you don't think systemd's direction is correct. Frankly with the number of detractors you could likely form a much larger team to "do it properly" instead!

Love or hate Pottering and his team, they're at least writing code instead of postulating on internet forums. systemd's adoption and popularity among many is proof of that

Re: Run0, a systemd based alternative to sudo, announced

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Post by eichin »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #154
immibis wrote: post #148

This will be great. We can finally deprecate sudo on systemd systems. Then we should be able to deprecate PAM, setuid bit, etc.

I can see creating a system with zero setuid files, but I don't think this reduces PAM use, does it?

Not setuid generically, but `sudo` itself has a bunch of pam support/dependency.
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