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Re: Google lays off its Python team

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Post by ytoawwhra92 »

UncleMeat wrote: post #426
ytoawwhra92 wrote: post #317

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> got married, had kids, bought a house I lived in the US on a temporary visa and it's wild to me that people would put down roots in any country without a clear path to permanent residency. When you read the conditions attached to your employer-sponsored non-immigrant visa it makes it pretty clear that you're not in the country to settle permanently, you're there to work for the duration of your visa and that's all.…

A good friend of mine is Indian and also gay. Moving back to India and having a happy life with equal rights isn't on the table.

Sorry to hear that.

There are lots of countries in the world that welcome gay people and have simpler, saner, and more predictable pathways to permanent residency than the USA.

Re: Google lays off its Python team

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Post by oaiey »

dcrow0 wrote: post #372
pabloivan57 wrote: post #304

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I worked at Amazon for almost 10 years and I hate, repeat hate working with India teams. Their quality is subpar, period. No other way to put it

offshoring isn't limited to India. devs in Canada, Europe, and South America are superb and cheap

We are inexpensive but not cheap ;)

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Post by __52849__ »

mathverse wrote: post #353
7wge7g27ev wrote: post #197

Those who are saying india are wrong, this time they are training them at munich office. Rule is simple cheap labour and more people can do better job.

Munich is HCOL even for European standards. Just a tiny bit behind London and Switzerland.

Waaayyy behind Zurich, lol.

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Post by UncleMeat »

ytoawwhra92 wrote: post #441
UncleMeat wrote: post #426

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A good friend of mine is Indian and also gay. Moving back to India and having a happy life with equal rights isn't on the table.

Sorry to hear that. There are lots of countries in the world that welcome gay people and have simpler, saner, and more predictable pathways to permanent residency than the USA.

And then we are back to "just leave your friends, family, and life."

This person moved to the US for undergrad, attended grad school, and has been working in the US for like a decade. That's 20 years here. Even if they were only here on H1b for two years, simply moving somewhere else would still be leaving the country they lived in for 12 years. You can surely understand why somebody would be motivated not to do this.

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Post by Attrecomet »

joezydeco wrote: post #298
zem wrote: post #240

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i reckon we simply got offshored, since they're now building a whole new python team in munich, though i don't know whether for cost reasons or to expand the languages presence in the munich office or both.

Gateway to cheap developers in Eastern Europe, Poland, Ukraine, etc

I would have expected countries like Poland to have a mature enough IT ecosystem that Google could have just moved there directly if they wanted. Why stop over at one of Europe's most expensive places to get talent if that was to goal?

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Post by Attrecomet »

emodendroket wrote: post #281
wing-_-nuts wrote: post #245

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I really do wonder if our material standard of living really contributes to happiness though? I don't want more 'stuff' I want guaranteed access to healthcare. I want worker and consumer rights. I want a country that recognizes climate change is a real problem and is doing something about it. I want a more fair and representative government actually beholden to the will of the people. I don't need a McMansion, a luxu…

I'm not in a position to tell anyone what to value in life, but I don't personally feel that insecure about my access to healthcare or workplace conditions, and I also feel that a lot of Americans have an unrealistic idea of what life in other countries is like or how their political situation is. For instance, does Norway take climate change more seriously than the US? In some sense they may, but on the other hand t…

Everybody tough with their job-dependent healthcare until they are let go because a chronic illness is too debilitating for the demands of the job and they are left with nothing but monthly medical costs of a few tens of thousands of dollars.

Re: Google lays off its Python team

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Post by Canders42 »

webprofusion wrote: post #439
Canders42 wrote: post #411

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We are hiring here at Cruise and I believe your team could be a good fit for one of the roles that we are hiring for. Here is the job description: https://www.getcruise.com/careers/jobs/2831153/ If any of you are interested, feel free to directly reach out to the recruiter Connor Anderson (Connor.Anderson@getcruise.com) or feel free to apply directly.

Only issue I can immediately see is that the salary is about a quarter of the FANG rate.

Please keep in mind that the listed salary range on the job description is only the median base salary range. Not the full total compensation range that includes bonus and other factors to it. We can pay much more than what is listed there from a total compensation standpoint.

Re: Google lays off its Python team

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Post by Quazil »

twojobsoneboss wrote: post #276
xcrjm wrote: post #150

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Theoretically you have a point. On the other hand it’s so bad for recruiting. I view companies that do large layoffs the same way I view companies that do a lot of contract hiring. You clearly don’t care about employees and their wellbeing.

Be real, it’s google. They could layoff 10k every month for another year and still have people lining up from around the world to get in

They haven't been able to hire talent in over a decade. The only "talent" that ever considers working there is kids fresh out of school.

Once it's a woke shithole no one important will work there. You can fleece them for money but no one capable of material contribution goes to google.

Consider what was their last usable innovation? Making their web email client less usable? A third-rate cloud service? They don't even have a usable quantum computer; just a toy. Their flagship product is a pay-to-censured search engine. It's a giant company of assholes.

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Post by CydeWeys »

throwaway5959 wrote: post #326
CydeWeys wrote: post #296

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Then I don't understand the point you were making in your first post.

A waste of talent not of cash.

That's the thing, it's not clear that the Python core engineers are more talented than other Google SWEs on average. You have all sorts of talented engineers working on all sorts of random projects within Google.

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Post by ghosty141 »

dongping wrote: post #284
allarm wrote: post #277

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How hard is it? As in - they have to let you work for the duration of the notice period hard? Honest question.

Aside from the mandatory negotiation with the employee co-determination (works council), the layoffs "must be determined according to the principles of social selection [...] (t)his is often perceived as a major obstacle [...] it would be disastrous to have to dismiss top performers simply because they are younger than other employees or have been recently hired." [Source] Random link from the Internet so that I don'…

You are on the spot, it's almost impossible to lay somebody off who is like 50 y/o and has kids + has been with the company for quite a while.

Generally, workers rights here in Germany are quite good so as an employee life tends to be quite comfortable since you don't have to fear termination the moment the company isn't doing exceptionally well.

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