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I'm Not Having Kids (and That's Okay)

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Re: I'm Not Having Kids (and That's Okay)

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You can do whatever you want and I can criticize you for it. Most of people who I’ve seen that don’t have children, when they get old have an emptiness inside them and not much to look for. When they’re younger they think they’re gonna be okay, but we usually don’t know if we feel the same way a few minutes from now, how can you say no I won’t feel that way 30-40 years from now? I hope the writer of this article be h…

I think most childless people (like me) would want them, but there's no way to possibly finance even a single one. Even with a relatively high paid job, at least if you want it responsibly.

Re: I'm Not Having Kids (and That's Okay)

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This is plagiarized word for word from https://web.archive.org/web/20150210200039/http://kalihawlk.... (original URL: http://kalihawlk.com/not-having-kids/ ) For more on this plagiarism campaign, read https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40164077 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40185250

There’s a visible increase in new accounts that are promoting clickbait titles and also using “Show HN” to promote products.

Green accounts submitting projects with no explanation, with the domain name of the project having been registered prior to the HN submission.

My best guess is that a foreign community wrote a guide on how to use HN for promotion, much like you would use Product Hunt or similar websites.

I say foreign because I actually spent a few hours a couple of days ago looking into this. I spend a lot of time in /new and couldn’t help but notice this pattern.

Many of the accounts doing this date back to a few years also, with blatant spam being their first submission for the last couple of years. It’s very obvious if you pay attention, but I am not sure it can be moderated outside of HN users themselves weeding it out.

Re: I'm Not Having Kids (and That's Okay)

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of the people I've seen that do have children are extremely miserable for the first couple thousand days and then moderately miserable for the next decade. So what, probably our sample is not representative. My pet peeve is when parents tell me (or other people who can't actually have children), that "you'll never know until you haven't experienced it". I grew to think this is the most toxic behavior, triggering…

Look, not caring for anyone is always going to be easier than caring for someone. I think becoming a parent has helped me a lot in a million ways. You actually have a reason to advance, a reason to do stuff for others. It helps that there's just no way out. Plus I've been part of layoffs twice in about 20 years. Most things in life can and will collapse, including work, your social group at work (amongst other reason…

> helped me a lot in a million ways

Again, some people figured how to live a life with fulfilment, being content, having a purpose, but without a kid. In fact, what worries me a lot that some people think the kid is the ultimate solution. And that is really, really bad and unfair to many involved (family, partner, and eventually the kid themselves)

> Family doesn't collapse half as easily

You'd be surprised. Mine did, and in the region I'm from, did many, too. In fact, the modern invention of a nuclear family is more brittle than some want to accept.

With truly a lot of sympathy, I encourage you too, to try to think outside your bubble. I am happy for each one of those around me who manage a life with their babies and new family.

But this "you'll never know until" mentality is very toxic and the ones repeating it don't realize it's true vice versa.

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All the other issues you mention (jobs, friends come and go) are also generalization, and certainly didn't apply to me or many others, thus, not a proof of anything.

Re: I'm Not Having Kids (and That's Okay)

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post #22

This is plagiarized word for word from https://web.archive.org/web/20150210200039/http://kalihawlk.... (original URL: http://kalihawlk.com/not-having-kids/ ) For more on this plagiarism campaign, read https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40164077 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40185250

There’s a visible increase in new accounts that are promoting clickbait titles and also using “Show HN” to promote products. Green accounts submitting projects with no explanation, with the domain name of the project having been registered prior to the HN submission. My best guess is that a foreign community wrote a guide on how to use HN for promotion, much like you would use Product Hunt or similar websites. I say…

The points you make are true, but all of the plagiarism I've commented about recently has been done by one person. It stretches across many Substack and Wordpress accounts. I imagine they have plagiarized plenty more posts that no one has spotted.

I've held off on giving the perpetrator's full real name, but it seems like naming them in a standalone post is going to be necessary.

For now, if you see submissions from user-generated content/blog sites, be very skeptical - even if the is dated years ago. This person often back-dates their stolen posts.

Re: I'm Not Having Kids (and That's Okay)

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This is plagiarized word for word from https://web.archive.org/web/20150210200039/http://kalihawlk.... (original URL: http://kalihawlk.com/not-having-kids/ ) For more on this plagiarism campaign, read https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40164077 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40185250

This makes me even more confused by the other post that was made by this account, asking why an earlier submission was flagged: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40178265

If you are a straight plagiarizer, it seems rather brazen to call attention to the flagging. Are you able to find an original for that one as well? I wasn't.

Re: I'm Not Having Kids (and That's Okay)

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This is plagiarized word for word from https://web.archive.org/web/20150210200039/http://kalihawlk.... (original URL: http://kalihawlk.com/not-having-kids/ ) For more on this plagiarism campaign, read https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40164077 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40185250

Troy I've seen you calling this plagiarist out in a couple of threads. Thanks for the work you're doing, and the receipts!

Re: I'm Not Having Kids (and That's Okay)

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Really sucks that this was plagiarized. I love commenting on these stories.

I've been the youngest engineer on the teams I've worked with for practically my entire career. Early into my career, I got a front row seat to see snippets of how my peers with children lived, such as:

- Absolutely zero control over one's sleep schedule for many, many years

- Zero alone or solo time for many, many years

- For many couples, zero or little intimacy for years

- Lots and lots and lots of crying, then crying and screaming, then screaming, then tantrum-ing

- Unbelievable amounts of repetition and transpiling gibberish to English

- Absolutely everything about childrens' shows (children can watch the same movie 100 times, from what I've observed)

- Career sacrifices, such as having to work at companies and/or living in locations you'd prefer to not be working or living in

- Society type-casting women into motherly roles while "men being men" is generally acceptable

Given all this, I knew from very early on (20s) that I did not want children. I was very (very!) lucky to find a partner who held the same beliefs.

We are in our late 30s now and are still strongly committed to this decision.

HOWEVER, there is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting kids if both partners really, really want them AND know what they're signing up for!

From what I've seen, raising kids requires levels of selflessness and patience that are almost supernatural, and it's essentially a lifelong job (especially when the children beget grandchildren, and, given the state of affairs, will definitely need a hand while they work since daycare is all but unaffordable for most).

One thing that's annoying about parenthood being the default is that core working hours at many companies are structured around children, especially with the pervasiveness of working from home. Being online at 7am is perfectly acceptable, for example.

This isn't great if you, say, want to start your day at 11am because waking up at 8am or later is no big deal. I understand why it is the way it is, but it's still annoying.

Re: I'm Not Having Kids (and That's Okay)

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look, not caring for anyone is always going to be easier than caring for someone. I think becoming a parent has helped me a lot in a million ways. You actually have a reason to advance, a reason to do stuff for others. It helps that there's just no way out. Plus I've been part of layoffs twice in about 20 years. Most things in life can and will collapse, including work, your social group at work (amongst other reason…

> helped me a lot in a million ways Again, some people figured how to live a life with fulfilment, being content, having a purpose, but without a kid. In fact, what worries me a lot that some people think the kid is the ultimate solution. And that is really, really bad and unfair to many involved (family, partner, and eventually the kid themselves) > Family doesn't collapse half as easily You'd be surprised. Mine did…

I think you don’t know anything in life until you try it. Goes both ways for having children and not having children. You won’t know until you’re old and then see if you are happy or not.

Re: I'm Not Having Kids (and That's Okay)

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look, not caring for anyone is always going to be easier than caring for someone. I think becoming a parent has helped me a lot in a million ways. You actually have a reason to advance, a reason to do stuff for others. It helps that there's just no way out. Plus I've been part of layoffs twice in about 20 years. Most things in life can and will collapse, including work, your social group at work (amongst other reason…

> helped me a lot in a million ways Again, some people figured how to live a life with fulfilment, being content, having a purpose, but without a kid. In fact, what worries me a lot that some people think the kid is the ultimate solution. And that is really, really bad and unfair to many involved (family, partner, and eventually the kid themselves) > Family doesn't collapse half as easily You'd be surprised. Mine did…

> You'd be surprised. Mine did, and in the region I'm from, did many, too. In fact, the modern invention of a nuclear family is more brittle than some want to accept.

I get it. Some families fail. People get really angry about that, and I understand why. That doesn't mean it will never succeed (and frankly, a failed family is imho, in quite a few ways, still better than no family at all).

I'm pretty damn sure the "mass families", or however you want to call it, so big that kids only really had other kids as parents, that came before were a LOT worse than a nuclear family.

My main point is that there's a strong motivation to keep a family going. And that is a huge part of what keeps me stable. I think it's a necessary part of keeping me stable.

Re: I'm Not Having Kids (and That's Okay)

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This is plagiarized word for word from https://web.archive.org/web/20150210200039/http://kalihawlk.... (original URL: http://kalihawlk.com/not-having-kids/ ) For more on this plagiarism campaign, read https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40164077 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40185250

Troy I've seen you calling this plagiarist out in a couple of threads. Thanks for the work you're doing, and the receipts!

You’re welcome, and thanks for saying so. I wish it wasn’t needed.
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