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Can’t we just stick with FANG? Sure, the acronym doesn’t mean anything anymore, but at least everyone knows what it means.
The N stands for Microsoft
NadellaSoft?
Google lays off its Python team
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I always assumed these culture war unions were fostered precisely to make unions unpalatable.
If that's not their intent, they're certainly doing a good job of it. The people running them are cosplaying running a union, without fundamentally understanding what a union really is.
It's a common management strategy pushed worldwide by consultants. Undermining the opposition by promoting the worst in it. The people who are making the union unpalatable are not under threat from Google as they're in effect unwittingly performing a valuable service for management. Due to intrinsic deficiencies in humans there is no real way to fight it. What usually happens is that the organization, now free from internal opposition, is be able to make the large changes that it always wished to do only to find out that management did not see all ends, makes a bunch of mistakes, and enters into a terminal decline.
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You can call me bigoted or racist, I don't care. The fact is with moving technical roles to India quality plummets. But I can totally see how in some beancounter's narrow mind this makes perfect sense.
In this case its Munich I think based on previous comments. Also, in India things depend on who you hire and how much you're willing to pay (like everywhere else). If you pay a salary you expect in rural Alabama in the Bay Area for a tech job you'll attract shitty devs as well. You comment isn't wrong. I've observed the same thing but only when things get outsourced to low cost consulting shops. If Google pays decent…
General formula that majority of big tech MAG7 companies apply when it comes to India is "3 times HC than Bay area". If you see pay data for these companies, that seems to be correct with salaries in Bangalore to be 1/3 of salaries in Bay area.
Re: Google lays off its Python team
#434This is standard recent Google. A year or so ago, they laid off GCP upper tier support to replace them with cheaper workers. PS: I won't say which MAAN_, but the recruiters are half based in India now. Coincidentally, it's a MAAN_ that laid me off previously in a relatively recent timeframe rather than attempt to find me another home internally. Brain explodes. Perhaps MAANGs need to focus more on long-term sustainab…
Support team is one thing. Google's Python team was a small team, most of which were also on the Python steering council or Core Python developers. These people had decades of experience in Python. Their knowledge and community connections is irreplaceable.
Feels like this will make it so that in the future any python related requests coming from google might just as well end up in /dev/null
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Maybe we can see this as a positive, if it gets bad enough, the people coming into tech from the bootcamps who just did it for the money might move onto other fields.
Isn’t that why anyone does any job? Even if you love tinkering with computers the reality of a job involves a lot of other stuff.
Eh, I guess I have a different mentality about this. There are people that just love what they do for their job. Sure they can go from job to job but they actually enjoy doing the work. I grew up during a time when the CS department at my college was loserville. No one wanted to be there except the people truly passionate about the field and the department did not get much respect from the rest of my (engineering) school because of these small enrollment numbers(relative to the other departments).
Now its one of the largest programs on the east coast. Its cool that more people appreciate the field but as a small kid, I decided that I would have gone into this field even if it did not pay the big bucks so it was a no brainer when I enrolled.
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> Your point #1 contradicts itself when you say "if they were locals who can simply move on to another job" OK, I need to clarify: another equivalent job. If you are local in the US, then all local jobs are "somewhat" equivalent (of course they are different, but they are within the same range). But, if you work in India (or any similar country) for an international company, or for the local Indian company -- that's…
Disagree. India has a vibrant startup ecosystem that is growing everyday and has produced some good companies like Zomato, Swiggy, Meesho, Zoho, Postman etc and their pay is definitely "somewhat" equivalent for the India cost of living. In addition to the Indian startups like the ones I mentioned above, India is also a favored outsourcing destination and, because of the population its a huge market for many companies…
Well, if it's an Indian startup targeting an international market: it's an international company in the making.
While you can name half a dozen of them, there are thousands that are nothing like that.
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#437This is standard recent Google. A year or so ago, they laid off GCP upper tier support to replace them with cheaper workers. PS: I won't say which MAAN_, but the recruiters are half based in India now. Coincidentally, it's a MAAN_ that laid me off previously in a relatively recent timeframe rather than attempt to find me another home internally. Brain explodes. Perhaps MAANGs need to focus more on long-term sustainab…
I'm not convinced demoralization is undesired in all cases; certainly it seems like there was a lot of frustration about workers demanding more pay, remote work, stances on various social/political issues, and so on. Making people demoralized and afraid of losing their jobs is one possible answer to that.
“The beatings will continue until morale improves”
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yes, SRE uses loads of python, despite a decade+ pseudo-mandate to encourage Go
I have heard that SRE teams can get away with this on the idea that SREs usually are not as good at software engineering as SWEs, so some bad engineering practices can fly. I never saw Python actually get used, though, in the projects I worked on.
This is blatantly false, along with the idea that there’s only very little python.
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in addition to contributing to upstream python, we * maintained a stable version of python within google, and made sure that everything in the monorepo worked with it. in my time on the team we moved from 2.7 to 3.6, then incrementally to 3.11, each update taking months to over a year because the rule at google is if you check any code in, you are responsible for every single breakage it causes * maintained tools to…
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Only issue I can immediately see is that the salary is about a quarter of the FANG rate.
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Only issue I can immediately see is that the salary is about a quarter of the FANG rate.
I mean, that probably at least partly explains why they were laid off..