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Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Doesn't this mean that game consoles should be gatekeepers too like from sony/nintendo/microsoft?

I 100% think this is the case, my guess as to why they're not targeted yet is just that they're less visible to regulators. I'd like to know if there's another explanation.

Consoles are not defined as general-purpose computers (except for a time, the PS3), and there aren't many complaints from the game industry at large about access discrimination or unaffordable devkits any more, there's tons of indie games for just about every major platform these days. So, too much effort for too little gain, there is no artificial competition impediments any more.

The only complaints tend to come from gamers - DRM, "console exclusive" titles and lootboxes, mostly, but of these three the only realistic field where the EU can/will/should intervene is the lootbox crap.

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Jobs exact words where: "All phones have sensitive areas, just avoid holding it in this way." Which is arguably worse, since all of Apples official statements on that case contained that bit of intentional gaslighting at the beginning. The iPhone 4 did not just have "sensitive areas", it completely exposed the antenna, causing it to short circuit from normal use.

I know the history of it, I followed it closely at the time. That’s why I pointed out that the quote was wrong ( and got downvoted ). I expect the same will happen to you since you posted the correct quote.

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Why would IpadOS not be held to the same DSA rules as IOS? Apple has applied the same model of gatekeeping (walled garden) to both the iPhone and the iPad. DSA attaches requirements to the gatekeepers if they are big enough. Software similarity and market positioning don't really come into consideration once the role of gatekeeper has been established.

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If you squint enough, iPhones and iPads are really the same thing (along with all other 'iXXX' devices).

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Sounds like it's time again for the litany of fear, uncertainly and doubt or will we, now that the EU has hit so many times, finally hear the other one? The one where Apple came up with the idea by themselves, and they just needed some time to reassure quality?

> or will we, now that the EU has hit so many times, finally hear the other one

This thread actually contains a new argument that I had not seen before: that “the EC is reinventing the rules in an arbitrary fashion”, and it's again a very bad argument (if the EC was doing that, Apple would just go in front of CJEU and win)

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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I'm genuinely surprised by this. I figured the differences between tablets and phones, combined with Apple's efforts to distinguish between 'iPadOS' and 'iOS', would be enough to get them a win on this point. If the shared app store is part of the problem I wonder if that makes it a liability for any new apple ecosystem to tie into the App Store, like Vision OS for example.

I mean it’s literally the same thing. That Apple got away with pretending iPadOS and iOS are somehow fundamentally different for this long is insane to me.

A couple months shy of five years?

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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They sent out bumpers because it was a design flaw.

I know they did, that’s not my point. My point is that the words “you are holding it wrong” were never said. They told people how to avoid the problem. “Here’s a workaround” doesn’t assign blame to the user. “You are holding it wrong” does. The sentiment is different.

Oh, the sentiment was there alright. You must've forgotten how Jobs was in general and his massive annoyance when he explained this "workaround" in particular.

Of course, it was users' fault. They have always been simpletons.

"You are holding it wrong" is spot on. It captures extremely accurately the very essence of Jobs' attitude towards the users.

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