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Liu Cixin's War of the Worlds (2019)

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Re: Liu Cixin's War of the Worlds (2019)

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I just finished Deaths End this morning so I'm experiencing that ponderous glow that you get after reading something thought provoking. Without going into spoilers, Death's End makes everything so... huge. It really made me feel tiny in our universe. These are good books with some flaws. You should read them.

> These are good books with some flaws. You should read them. Counter view-point: These are bad books with a few thought provoking ideas that are never explored, left behind to explore a ridiculous plot full of nonsensical actions taken by paper cutout characters chasing a political goals that also make no sense. Granted I didn't read the third book, but that's because I gave up not halfway through book 2. When I got…

>scope creep

I think this is the fundamental point where people like you who didn't enjoy the books and people like me who deeply did depart. I thought the unfolding scope of the trilogy felt like a logical, justified progression, in the manner of an escalating conflict. Yes it does escalate quickly, but there is a good reason at each scope level that it needs to expand to the next as the conflict spirals out of control and the technology involved improves. And in general I enjoy when things sort of escalate in scope like that, like Akira for instance. Maybe you prefer books that stay at the same scope the entire time but that's a personal preference.

Also I really don't see how the nature of the ending is at all akin to the "it was all a dream" type ending, because it doesn't fundamentally undercut that the things that happened actually did happen, and had consequences. Yes our assumptions about the nature of the fabric of reality are undercut, but not in a way that means that anything that we thought happened didn't actually happen or anything like that, and not in a way that undercuts stakes, if anything the stakes are far greater. And the choice to restart the universe so it can be better again is actually a deeply consequential action with a lot of seeks to it. Likewise I don't see how the larger scope of the later books makes the smaller scope of the earlier ones not meaningful? That's how we got here.

And I think more than enough interesting and unique speculative fiction ideas are introduced, and I think they are explored enough, in a grand and stunning enough fashion, to justify the book, even if they aren't perhaps looked into as deeply as you think they should be, despite the paper thin characters with nonsensical motivations. Especially since the actual political chess/information game between the trisolarans and humans is so interesting.

Re: Liu Cixin's War of the Worlds (2019)

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Isn't that true for basically all speculative sci-fi? The point to the form is to pick an idea with "enough plausibility" and extend it to an interesting implication. Not all "sci-fi" can be (or should be) 2001 or The Martian; Foundation and Dune are kinda good books too.

To various extents, yes, but it is easier to suspend one's disbelief about certain things than others. The main issue with sophons is that they routinely have to interact with quantities of energy that should annihilate them: when they are unfolded, for instance, they have to bear the impact of light all over their planet-spanning surface. They are "god-tier" technology, but only because they flaunt basic conservatio…

Ah yes, eating worm poop is the only thing that allows humans to navigate ships moving at light speed is more plausible.

Re: Liu Cixin's War of the Worlds (2019)

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I'm happy most of the comment section is discussing Liu Cixin's works instead of this article, but having made the mistake of reading said article I have a bit of a rant. This journalist seems so intent on making everything political (from the beginning to the end of the article) that it reads like they have no interest in anything he's actually written. The author of this article never describes a single genuine que…

Weirdly, they seemed to understand that he wouldn't talk about politics out of self-preservation: > When questioned about stories that seemed to allude to Stalinist conformism and paranoia, Lem said the same thing that Liu says about geopolitical interpretations of his trilogy—that he was not writing a veiled assessment of the present but merely making up stories.

(Spoilers) I think that the part about the guy who's brain traveled to the Trisolarians and communicated back by telling a fairy-tale may be a story about the author himself: He's also in an authoritarian regime and unable to tell things face value, so he communicated by telling a "fairy-tale" (SF in his case) full of metaphors which needs to be decoded by the reader first to get the real meaning.

Ok, maybe I'm reading to much into it, but if it was to obvious, Liu would get intro trouble, so plausible deniability is important. But I think that the books are much more political as many think. But you need to decipher it first...

Re: Liu Cixin's War of the Worlds (2019)

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The books are very imaginative. Not always a fan of the prose, and the character development is lacking, but I think this is a great new take on the alien invasion genre that tries to put all of the current theories about extraterrestrials (or lack-thereof) into a very big plot. Part of the draw of the first book is how much it talks about communist China from an insider perspective. I found those parts the most inte…

Those aspects about communist China made it hard for me to get into. I read about 15 pages and gave up. Maybe it was also the writing style, or maybe it’s been too long since I’ve read a novel and it’s my fault for not having the patience.

I think I need to give it another try.

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I'm happy most of the comment section is discussing Liu Cixin's works instead of this article, but having made the mistake of reading said article I have a bit of a rant. This journalist seems so intent on making everything political (from the beginning to the end of the article) that it reads like they have no interest in anything he's actually written. The author of this article never describes a single genuine que…

Yea I can see this in the article as well. And anyone who has read the books can probably see this wasn't the authors real interest. I can see where someone with their pulse on international politics might read into Trisolaris vs Earth being some sort of a proxy for China vs USA. But my take is that the author was just writing about sci-fi ideas from their personal perspective in China. Chinese history, politics, and…

> I can see where someone with their pulse on international politics might read into Trisolaris vs Earth being some sort of a proxy for China vs USA.

Yeah. Viewing The Three-Body Problem merely as a metaphor for China-US relations shows a limited perspective, as the novel addresses the fates of civilizations across different solar systems and the fates of the living beings in the entire universe. In such grand scheme of things, China-US relation is really nothing

Re: Liu Cixin's War of the Worlds (2019)

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IMO it’s way more than “some flaws”. I bought into the hype and finally read the first book recently. The plot, prose, the characters, literally everything except a couple of really neat sci-fi ideas is comically poor. So bad that you start to wonder if you accidentally rented 2007’s Transmorphers at Blockbuster instead of Transformers.

The series gets better don't stop at the first book.

The first book is what, 500 pages? That's too much time to spend reading crap. I was ready to give up about a third of the way through but people told me it got better so I carried on (and I foolishly assumed there must be some reason it run the Hugo). It did not get better.

Re: Liu Cixin's War of the Worlds (2019)

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I just finished Deaths End this morning so I'm experiencing that ponderous glow that you get after reading something thought provoking. Without going into spoilers, Death's End makes everything so... huge. It really made me feel tiny in our universe. These are good books with some flaws. You should read them.

I didn't like the ending, but redemption of time gives a closure overall more to my liking

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The series gets better don't stop at the first book.

The first book is what, 500 pages? That's too much time to spend reading crap. I was ready to give up about a third of the way through but people told me it got better so I carried on (and I foolishly assumed there must be some reason it run the Hugo). It did not get better.

Just a day of reading, it passes by fast, I read the whole tetralogy in 4 days, 1 per book, really liked them

Re: Liu Cixin's War of the Worlds (2019)

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A country should never take on another country who has more men of military age and which has far more manufacturing capacity.

That way lies destruction.

Just like Japan, while starting off WW2 with a more powerful military, couldn't maintain it's ascendancy over the US with its bigger industrial might and bigger population as the War in the Pacific progressed from 1942-1945, I fear that the US will not be able to maintain its power against a China that's four times bigger in population and maybe 10 times bigger in manufacturing capacity when War in the Pacific 2.0 begins in a couple of years.

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