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Re: Google lays off its Python team

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Post by Canders42 »

zem wrote: post #59
compiler-guy wrote: post #47

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Of course it does. Pretty much every FAANG, and many smaller ones, have teams for every programming language they consider important. Google has C++, Rust, Python, Java, JavaScript, and others (although I've heard that several of these teams were hard it in this round.) To take a basic example: Google has a team that works inside LLVM and Clang to improve the code it produces for Google's specific workloads. (Often t…

in addition to contributing to upstream python, we * maintained a stable version of python within google, and made sure that everything in the monorepo worked with it. in my time on the team we moved from 2.7 to 3.6, then incrementally to 3.11, each update taking months to over a year because the rule at google is if you check any code in, you are responsible for every single breakage it causes * maintained tools to…

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Re: Google lays off its Python team

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Post by I_AM_A_SMURF »

jck wrote: post #280
jck wrote: post #278

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I'm grew up in India and went to grad school in the US and worked there. Eventually, I transferred to the UK cause I didn't get through the US work visa lottery. I'm much happier here because of the reasons you mentioned. I feel like my friends in America have are basically amassing wealth to insulate their liberal bubble in a conservative land. However, they might not be able to outweath the recent success of right…

Oh, and also, if I choose to permanently live in the UK, or EU, the path to citizenship is deterministic with a known timeline. In the US, the time from Green card to citizenship is unbounded. people from India and China are pretty much never going to become citizens till they exploit some loophole like having an American baby.

The problem is getting a green card not citizenship. From a green card you can naturalize in 3 or 5 years.

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Post by Vegenoid »

4WIW wrote: post #224
mihai_maruseac wrote: post #66

Google is an AI first company Google's future is strictly tied to its AI products All AI is written with Python. Google lays off all Python team. Segmentation fault

People are focusing on verbage and precision, but are missing the point. Having a well-maintained Python tooling is essential for _any_ company who does AI. While smaller companies can get away with open source solutions, for bigger companies it is unavoidable to have teams dedicated to maintaining and supporting Python tooling. This announcement is troubling, and may indicate one of the two: 1) Google is in dire sit…

Well, it seems like it isn't 1, as everything indicates that Google is doing better financially than ever: https://www.forbes.com/sites/dereksaul/2024/04/25/google-soa...

Re: Google lays off its Python team

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Post by ToxicMegacolon »

htrp wrote: post #401
ToxicMegacolon wrote: post #378

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Last I checked google was in hybrid mode. That is 3 days a week in office max. Also, Last I checked a week was 7 days. Lastly, its not whole career change. Switching from Google to Netflix as a software engineer is not a career change. I disagree that management holds the cards. Jobs are being threatened whether you work hard or not. You can double your productivity and still be cut in the next round of layoffs (and…

> That is 3 days a week in office max. Also, Last I checked a week was 7 days. Apparently weekends don't exist for you?

You go to office on weekends?

Re: Google lays off its Python team

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Post by Vegenoid »

jubalfh wrote: post #293
smsm42 wrote: post #117

I love if though when people working for trillion dollar corporation getting high six figure salaries and probably more money in a year than average worker in most countries makes in a lifetime, casually dunk on "capitalism". Yeah, sure, in the USSR you'd do much better, dude. I mean, I know layoffs suck, but come on.

you do realise that ussr does not exist anymore (it's been replaced with a hyper-capitalist structure that mutated into a fascist dictatorship); and that the existence of people being highly paid does not disprove the fact tha the us-style capitalism is a terrible system for anyone but the highest echelons?

The point is that many would view Google SWEs as being in the highest echelons. Generally, people who get paid very large amounts of money under capitalism are seen as being hypocritical when they criticize capitalism, if they aren't using their wealth to make change.

It's not that their criticism isn't valid, it's the feeling that they are perpetuating and benefiting from capitalism more than 99% of people, so they are all talk and no walk.

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Post by Willish42 »

hi-v-rocknroll wrote: post #52

This is standard recent Google. A year or so ago, they laid off GCP upper tier support to replace them with cheaper workers. PS: I won't say which MAAN_, but the recruiters are half based in India now. Coincidentally, it's a MAAN_ that laid me off previously in a relatively recent timeframe rather than attempt to find me another home internally. Brain explodes. Perhaps MAANGs need to focus more on long-term sustainab…

Anecdotally, I've heard this is the case at more than one major tech firm, and will likely have caught on since many of the same companies already laid off many recruiters during "difficult decisions for the very harsh economic environment for hiring that we caused, are largely immune to, and are now using as cover to cut costs and increase stock prices via huge buybacks"

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Post by mihai_maruseac »

tomrod wrote: post #395
7331 wrote: post #360

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> Poorly, in most cases, via various flavors of JavaScript and derived frameworks therein Is Google using JS for the backend ad serving / AI?

Not sure. I'm referring to Front End, however, since the advertisee does not see the backend.

Flutter team (Front End), was also axed.

Re: Google lays off its Python team

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Post by mihai_maruseac »

bdd8f1df777b wrote: post #321
CydeWeys wrote: post #258

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Why would they lay off the existing team first, rather than spin up the new team, have the old team train the new team, and give old team members a chance to move countries if they wanted?

I can only speculate: some directors/vps got headcount reduction goals (reduce eng cost by XXX with deadline at XXX), and they couldn't meet those goals if the layoff is to be delayed until the new team is fully operational.

This. There was a sudden push to reduce costs and people with decision power tried to make sure their teams won't get affected.

Re: Google lays off its Python team

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Post by mihai_maruseac »

paganel wrote: post #186
sitkack wrote: post #136

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Wages by Geo is a Urs Hözle move, whom should get paid in NZ dollars.

Interesting, didn’t know that. I remember older threads of people fawning his accomplishments, but nothing about him being a cheap b*stard when it came to his colleagues salaries. We should do more of this name and shaming in our industry, it’s one of the few levers we still have at our disposition.

The issue is that now they're hiding. Those who do the decision no longer send emails, no longer show up in townhalls (if they organized).

There was a townhall for the past wave of layoffs where the exec in charge preferred to take the meeting via video call from a huddle in the same building as the auditorium where the townhall was taking place. Just to not be seen with the employees.

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