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Husband and wife outed as GRU spies aiding bombings and poisonings across Europe

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Re: Husband and wife outed as GRU spies aiding bombings and poisonings across Europe

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post #54

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I dunno. I watched the first few episodes over COVID and I thought it just the same as any US cable show: sex, crash-bangs and manufactured plot twists. Maybe I'm wrong but IIRC there's a sex scene in the first five minutes of the pilot. Like, don't insult my intelligence.

Smart people don’t like sex scenes?

I guess smart people visit porn sites when they want to watch some.

For me it's just boring filler and I skip them.

Re: Husband and wife outed as GRU spies aiding bombings and poisonings across Europe

#132

I didn't know the GRU had an illegals program. I thought it was all SVR. Anyone know if that's a recent development?

Victor Suvorov wrote about GRU illegals 40 years ago in Aquarium. For all the shade thrown at his writing since, it sure has aged well. Here we are with bombings, poisonings, corruption and GRU agents creeping around in Europe today.

He wrote that the traditional method to deal with traitors in the GRU is the headquarters furnace: wire the "guilty" to a gurney and feed them in alive.

His writing about Soviet military doctrine is visible today in Ukraine as well. A giant horde of "mechanized infantry," badly led. They're still using some of the same armor.

Re: Husband and wife outed as GRU spies aiding bombings and poisonings across Europe

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post #26

This is my semi annual plug for all of you to watch the fantastic and somehow forgotten FX network TV show, The Americans, A spy drama set in Washington DC in the 1980s about KGB “illegals” posing as travel agents. It’s way better than any basic cable TV show had any right to be. Plus, all seasons are streaming on Hulu, so you don’t have to worry about whether the story will be completed. https://www.hulu.com/series/…

I want to give some advice: Don't judge it by its first few episodes. When I first checked it out, the basic setup seemed rather inane and I stopped watching. Then, a couple years later, I needed something to watch during long exercise sessions and I checked it out again. It was getting much more interesting by the end of the first season. And every season got better and richer. By the very end, I experienced it as a…

> Don't judge it by its first few episodes

Strong advice for any show.

Re: Husband and wife outed as GRU spies aiding bombings and poisonings across Europe

#134
post #116

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At least in some countries in Schengen area they check both passports on the outbound travel to Russia, e.g. in Narva, Estonia („You don’t seem to have Russian visa, do you have another passport?“) However, you don’t have to be very smart and sophisticated to simply choose another route and use connection in Istanbul to avoid this check…

> they check both passports on the outbound travel to Russia, e.g. in Narva, Estonia Who is "they"? If "they" is the airline, then physically show them the Russian passport: they don't record this information, they only need to see it to confirm that they won't have to fly you back (for free?) to your departing location. If border control (again: by flying), simply saying "my flight is to the UK" works.

>Who is "they"?

Narva is a pedestrian and car crossing. EU has a border with Russia/Belarus.

> If border control (again: by flying), simply saying "my flight is to the UK" works.

FYI in many places (not everywhere, rarely in Europe) border control will look at your boarding pass too.

Re: Husband and wife outed as GRU spies aiding bombings and poisonings across Europe

#135
post #112

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The UK doesn't have exit checks.

Of the ~50 countries I've been to in the past 10 years, The UK is the only one I remember which I did not need to show any ID when leaving. I thought it was strange because this is just one way countries catch overstays.

Maybe it's a requirement for for air travel only? Why do all those countries bother? Surely they don't all have exit visa requirements?

Re: Husband and wife outed as GRU spies aiding bombings and poisonings across Europe

#136

This is my semi annual plug for all of you to watch the fantastic and somehow forgotten FX network TV show, The Americans, A spy drama set in Washington DC in the 1980s about KGB “illegals” posing as travel agents. It’s way better than any basic cable TV show had any right to be. Plus, all seasons are streaming on Hulu, so you don’t have to worry about whether the story will be completed. https://www.hulu.com/series/…

The most realistic Russian sleeper scenario imo was in Slow Horses. Brits don't insult your intelligence too greatly in their spook shows; the American variety always involves some sort of super-human characters. It's good as entertainment, the Americans, but just over the top.

The latest season got a bit silly at the end, but still entertaining.

Re: Husband and wife outed as GRU spies aiding bombings and poisonings across Europe

#137

What I don't understand is why the attack on the Czech Republic was not seen as an attack by Russia on NATO.

Because it was seen as the cost of doing business with Russia, i.e. having access to their natural resources.

And then Czechia in 2021 randomly decided it's not worth it? (Russia did not cut access to their resources as a result anyway). Does not make sense.

The breakthrough in the investigation came only post 2018 as a result of Skripal poisonings where the same agents were involved. It took a while to connect the dots.

Re: Husband and wife outed as GRU spies aiding bombings and poisonings across Europe

#138
post #84

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I had initially ignored the show because they had cast Keri Russell which I had assumed to be a total light weight. So I missed it the first few years and then I realized after its fourth renewal - gee maybe its good - and well - I was completely wrong. She was amazing. The show was terrific. But I'm a sucker for 80s cold war dramatics.

Keri Russell a lightweight? I’m curious what gave you that impression as I’ve always thought of her as an excellent actress. Probably missing out on The Diplomat too if you like political intrigue at all.

Well on that topic, the French series "The Bureau" [1] was fantastic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bureau_(TV_series)

Re: Husband and wife outed as GRU spies aiding bombings and poisonings across Europe

#139
post #6

Wow that story is like something straight out of spy-romanticising drama! Crazy that such undercover agents really exist! Also, I wonder what the pay is like? Or how it even works.. probably best to not leave a obvious money trail between state and spy..

Spies often work for free, based on their ideologies. Agents, on the other hand, usually get paid whatever their normal pay is (aka, rank), plus danger pay and per-diem, where applicable.

Not these spies apparently. They had meager official income, yet managed to live quite luxuriously.

Re: Husband and wife outed as GRU spies aiding bombings and poisonings across Europe

#140
post #102

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Many (most?) countries do not require you to show any passport when exiting the country. (But if you’re traveling by air, then the next country you enter will likely share your passport details with the country you just departed.)

Examples/source? According to this stack overflow question, the US is (fairly) unique in not having immigration exit checks. https://travel.stackexchange.com/questions/122289/why-don-t-...

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