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Post by helboi4 »

frozenseven wrote: post #307
helboi4 wrote: post #304

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I knew you were going to be like "ACTUALLY SOMALIS AND ETHIOPIANS ARE VERY CLOSE". Sure, they're not close to the other two. Also, do not tell me what I think. Race is an ideological tenet created by colonialists to justify crimes against humanity. It is something non-factual that does not exist. Somalis, Nigerians, Zulus, African Americans - these people are not the same ethnicity. They are simply all black. Categor…

>the white peoples There it is! The punchline I was waiting for. The name of the villains in your creation myth, a glaring example of doublethink, and the point that you were oh-so eager to make from the very beginning. >Race is an ideological tenet created by colonialists A truth independently discovered by every people group. And now of course the medical community and the field of genetics. >Sure, they're not clos…

You realise you actually sound like a cultist with that first line? Like you're accusing me of being a heathen based on some insane subjective interpretation of what I think. I said the wrong words in your mind and now I'm basically a satanist. You literally sound like that. Notice how I just spoke about facts and you have decided to make this about your assumptions about my character.

I have absolutely no problems with white people. I'm literally half white. All my favourite family members who are literally my flesh and blood are white. Most of my friends are white. I grew up in a 99% white community. I do not think white people are the enemy and I do not think the majority of them hold any racist views. I do not hold white people collectively accountable for things their ancestors did centuries ago or assume anything bad about them based on this. I stated facts about history I was not blaming any race in modern times for the existence of these facts. They are just true, but they are of the past. I think white and black people should work together as the one and only race - the human race - to make the world better.

What is your argument against me now? Can you make one without resorting to gross assumptions of me being an evil white-people-hating black power SJW demonrat?

I made it very clear that I do not believe that race is real. So why would I view white people as some sort of inherently morally tarred enemy?

Again, I'm literally more ethnically white more than I am anything else.

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Post by FrustratedMonky »

evoltropia wrote: post #292
nonameiguess wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably too late for anyone to notice, but I appreciate this being posted. My perspective on this coming into the discussion is EA started off well and noble and I had a good impression of organizations like GiveWell and the Against Malaria Foundation. I was largely of the mind that EA was corrupted later on when it was taken over by long-termists and AI alarmists who Pascal's Wagered their way into making no possib…

100%! Free markets were supposed to be a distributed check on the system.

Except 100% Free Markets lead to Monopolies. Then the argument is, those big companies are 'Free' to crush all competition and innovation.

But to prevent monopolies, you would need regulation, something to prevent them from forming, and then that is then 'Not-Free'. How dare you prevent me from having a monopoly.

It's a conundrum, if there is no oversight, regulation, then you are totally free to prevent other from having freedoms. It's just who do you want in control.

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Post by FrustratedMonky »

cma wrote: post #214
esafak wrote: post #35

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That's not true. sbf was about that, but EA is not. Are there other cases of EA fraud?

The fancy multiple Harry Potter castles they bought while saying everything was scientifically calibrated to not do the buying of fancy buildings and other status stuff normal charities and universities do.

Weren't the castles on sale at a bargain price? It seems like that was one of those inflammatory stories 'look they are buying castles', but then you look closer and they were cheaper than office space would be.

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Post by selimthegrim »

helboi4 wrote: post #311
frozenseven wrote: post #307

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>the white peoples There it is! The punchline I was waiting for. The name of the villains in your creation myth, a glaring example of doublethink, and the point that you were oh-so eager to make from the very beginning. >Race is an ideological tenet created by colonialists A truth independently discovered by every people group. And now of course the medical community and the field of genetics. >Sure, they're not clos…

You realise you actually sound like a cultist with that first line? Like you're accusing me of being a heathen based on some insane subjective interpretation of what I think. I said the wrong words in your mind and now I'm basically a satanist. You literally sound like that. Notice how I just spoke about facts and you have decided to make this about your assumptions about my character. I have absolutely no problems w…

Just chiming in from the peanut gallery to say I am in the same position (wrt extraction) and share the same views stated here.

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Post by frozenseven »

helboi4 wrote: post #311
frozenseven wrote: post #307

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>the white peoples There it is! The punchline I was waiting for. The name of the villains in your creation myth, a glaring example of doublethink, and the point that you were oh-so eager to make from the very beginning. >Race is an ideological tenet created by colonialists A truth independently discovered by every people group. And now of course the medical community and the field of genetics. >Sure, they're not clos…

You realise you actually sound like a cultist with that first line? Like you're accusing me of being a heathen based on some insane subjective interpretation of what I think. I said the wrong words in your mind and now I'm basically a satanist. You literally sound like that. Notice how I just spoke about facts and you have decided to make this about your assumptions about my character. I have absolutely no problems w…

>You realise you actually sound like a cultist with that first line?

What cult would that be? The one that doesn't bend their knee to you and your worldview? How unfortunate.

>me being an evil white-people-hating black power SJW demonrat

You've made the case for this abundantly clear. So that's exactly what I think.

>I do not believe that race is real.

Did I say "tenet"? That's too mild. More like the ontological bedrock.

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Post by delton137 »

Lockal wrote: post #198

Good riddance. A group of scammers without specialized education, theorizing about immortality (from people without medical education), saving humanity (thank you, but humanity thrives without your help), about ethics in artificial intelligence (from people who do not know any programming language), about drug promotion (from professional drug abusers), about pumping money into cryptocurrencies (which they personally…

I don't think FHI received any funding from SBF's Future Fund. (maybe a few of the visiting staff did, though)

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Post by selimthegrim »

frozenseven wrote: post #315
helboi4 wrote: post #311

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You realise you actually sound like a cultist with that first line? Like you're accusing me of being a heathen based on some insane subjective interpretation of what I think. I said the wrong words in your mind and now I'm basically a satanist. You literally sound like that. Notice how I just spoke about facts and you have decided to make this about your assumptions about my character. I have absolutely no problems w…

>You realise you actually sound like a cultist with that first line? What cult would that be? The one that doesn't bend their knee to you and your worldview? How unfortunate. >me being an evil white-people-hating black power SJW demonrat You've made the case for this abundantly clear. So that's exactly what I think. >I do not believe that race is real. Did I say "tenet"? That's too mild. More like the ontological bed…

Popular categories of race are at odds with genetic definitions. Does that sound better?

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Post by pookha »

nonameiguess wrote: post #282
Emma_Goldman wrote: post #81

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Well, that's the point in question. For its critics, the whole enterprise is a misguided sham. See Leif Wenar's stimulating recent piece, 'The Deaths of Effective Altruism', which sees SBF less as aberration, than symptom. https://www.wired.com/story/deaths-of-effective-altruism/ I think EA was naive from the start, both in its unreflective moral realism, and its reduction of complicated questions of social theory do…

Probably too late for anyone to notice, but I appreciate this being posted. My perspective on this coming into the discussion is EA started off well and noble and I had a good impression of organizations like GiveWell and the Against Malaria Foundation. I was largely of the mind that EA was corrupted later on when it was taken over by long-termists and AI alarmists who Pascal's Wagered their way into making no possib…

"distributing power evenly" is the classic reign-of-terror trope. Hell is always paved with good intentions and if you want to abandon unplanned order (our society) and build some utopia where a "the adults in the room" distribute power "evenly" to "distributed" parties than you'll just re-create a new Mao\Stalin\Committee of Public Safety.
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