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Atomic nucleus excited with laser: A breakthrough after decades

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Re: Atomic nucleus excited with laser: A breakthrough after decades

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article directly stated more precise atomic clocks.

Not a physicist, so I am asking out of curiosity and to learn: have the limitations to the precision of current atomic clocks posed any problems?

synchronization of compute across data centers is something I've used atomic clocks for, precision and cost are an issue.

Re: Atomic nucleus excited with laser: A breakthrough after decades

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My high school physics class flashes back to me, I don't think I understand a fraction of it but it seems very exciting (pun intended).

I was reading up on this (now outdated) wiki page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotopes_of_thorium#Thorium-22...

And it mentions the application as qubit for quantum computers. If the state change is relatively simple, cheap and stable, what could this do for quantum computing? I picture a crystalline processor holding Thorium nuclei as the brains of a new supercomputer? Would that be viable?

Re: Atomic nucleus excited with laser: A breakthrough after decades

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What does "exciting a nucleus" mean?

Thorium-229 has two energy states. A ground state, and an excited isometric state. The laser is used to transition the nucleus from the ground state to the excited isometric state.

Not a physicist, so this comment is more of a guess with the intention of someone correcting me, but I think the thing all the physicists leave out because it's probably very obvious is that when an excited nucleus returns to its ground state, it will emit radiation.

So they hit their thorium with a laser, and then instead of the laser passing through, it gets absorbed, and then they get a flash of radiation back, letting them know the thorium was excited. The delay between the laser pulse and the flash of radiation is a property of the particular thorium nucleus, and is not affected by environmental circumstances like temperature or electric/magnetic fields, so can be relied on as a very precise measurement of time.

Re: Atomic nucleus excited with laser: A breakthrough after decades

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Did anyone understand how they hold a nucleus (not an atom) in a crystal? Nucleus is charged and seeks electrons, I thought you need an electromagnetic trap for that (which the article says they don't use).

They use Th4+ ions, not nuclei. The lack of 4 electrons in the Th cations is compensated for by the surrounding F- anions.

Re: Atomic nucleus excited with laser: A breakthrough after decades

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Is there some direct application? Like using the excitation states of different atoms for storing information?

The article directly stated more precise atomic clocks.

Usually these application, while they're good, they're just the initial idea people have given the current understanding

The cool applications usually come later (or they're more esoteric). The researchers were more excited to determine the actual frequency than think about clocks

Re: Atomic nucleus excited with laser: A breakthrough after decades

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> But it is not just time that could be measured much more precisely in this way than before. For example, the Earth's gravitational field could be analyzed so precisely that it could provide indications of mineral resources or earthquakes

This has military applications as well, right?

Replacing GPS for nuclear submarines.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29213751

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36222625

Re: Atomic nucleus excited with laser: A breakthrough after decades

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post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And then the nuclei return to the ground state. That process is probabilistic and measured in half-lives. The key point is that the decay back to ground state happens at a very precise rate that is not influenced by effectively anything, and can be measured accurately. Thus, a clock.

> That process is probabilistic and measured in half-lives > The decay back to ground state happens at a very precise rate that is not influenced by effectively anything That sounds contradictory to me.

I suppose it could: the term "probabilistic" applies to the quantum probability of any one metastable isomer (excited nucleus) decaying to ground state. In application you measure large numbers of decays, and in great numbers the decay curve is extremely precise.

Re: Atomic nucleus excited with laser: A breakthrough after decades

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Now how the heck do you generate ~148.38nm light with a narrow linewidth? Their approach using four-wave mixing inherently results in short pulses. .. and given that it decays through gamma emission, does this mean we could now build an optically pumped gamma ray laser?

The last sentence of the paper seems to imply that this result will give people a reason to want to develop those:

The development of dedicated VUV lasers with narrow linewidth will make it possible to access a new regime of resolution and accuracy in laser M¨ossbauer spectroscopy and to perform coherent control of a nuclear excitation"

Previously, if you wanted to manipulate nuclear states, you needed a synchrotron. Now, you need an infinitely less expensive instrument. I suppose the idea is that that will generate a lot of interest in improving the less-expensive instrument.

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