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Re: Bloomberg: "Strong possibility" of M4 debuting on May 7 with new iPad Pro

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Post by plufz »

heywoodlh wrote: post #31

Having an iPad Pro with an M1, I grow increasingly frustrated each year with how incapable my iPad is compared to my Macbook/Linux laptops. iPadOS still feels like iOS with some visual tweaks to the larger screen real estate. It’s absolutely not a laptop killer for a sysadmin or developer (unless your preferred language is Swift). Maybe it’s a laptop killer for creative professionals? I think my iPad is an excellent…

I agree that a lot could be improved on the iPad and I would not say no to the features you suggest. But I’m not sure I understand why you would want to use an iPad instead of a laptop as a developer. For me the whole thing with the iPad is the pencil. I would never use it for development tasks (maybe like some sort of emergency device while traveling).

Not saying you are wrong to want to use it for development, just curious why!

Re: Bloomberg: "Strong possibility" of M4 debuting on May 7 with new iPad Pro

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Post by jijijijij »

plufz wrote: post #51
heywoodlh wrote: post #31

Having an iPad Pro with an M1, I grow increasingly frustrated each year with how incapable my iPad is compared to my Macbook/Linux laptops. iPadOS still feels like iOS with some visual tweaks to the larger screen real estate. It’s absolutely not a laptop killer for a sysadmin or developer (unless your preferred language is Swift). Maybe it’s a laptop killer for creative professionals? I think my iPad is an excellent…

I agree that a lot could be improved on the iPad and I would not say no to the features you suggest. But I’m not sure I understand why you would want to use an iPad instead of a laptop as a developer. For me the whole thing with the iPad is the pencil. I would never use it for development tasks (maybe like some sort of emergency device while traveling). Not saying you are wrong to want to use it for development, just…

Because the iPad is only missing a keyboard to become a laptop hardware wise. In theory. The laptop is redundant.

You can even have better ergonomics with a detachable screen. Basically a desktop setup with laptop mobility.

Re: Bloomberg: "Strong possibility" of M4 debuting on May 7 with new iPad Pro

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Post by plufz »

jijijijij wrote: post #52
plufz wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree that a lot could be improved on the iPad and I would not say no to the features you suggest. But I’m not sure I understand why you would want to use an iPad instead of a laptop as a developer. For me the whole thing with the iPad is the pencil. I would never use it for development tasks (maybe like some sort of emergency device while traveling). Not saying you are wrong to want to use it for development, just…

Because the iPad is only missing a keyboard to become a laptop hardware wise. In theory. The laptop is redundant. You can even have better ergonomics with a detachable screen. Basically a desktop setup with laptop mobility.

Fair enough, that makes sense and would be nice if it worked.

Re: Bloomberg: "Strong possibility" of M4 debuting on May 7 with new iPad Pro

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Post by galleywest200 »

jijijijij wrote: post #50
heywoodlh wrote: post #31

Having an iPad Pro with an M1, I grow increasingly frustrated each year with how incapable my iPad is compared to my Macbook/Linux laptops. iPadOS still feels like iOS with some visual tweaks to the larger screen real estate. It’s absolutely not a laptop killer for a sysadmin or developer (unless your preferred language is Swift). Maybe it’s a laptop killer for creative professionals? I think my iPad is an excellent…

Same. Don't buy an iPad! For real. It's a ridiculous device. Effectively no more useful than any other cheap tablet. Those tempting hardware features, you won't be able to use them in the end anyway, because of software limitations. You just can't do serious work with the iPad in practice. Trust me, after a short honeymoon period, and another few weeks of frustration, it will end up collecting dust and you will only…

An iPad for drawing vs a cheap tablet for drawing are a mile apart in capability.

Maybe for technical work your statement is true, but for artistic work an iPad with Procreate/Dreams is absolutely a viable primary workstation.

Re: Bloomberg: "Strong possibility" of M4 debuting on May 7 with new iPad Pro

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #17
tazu wrote: post #4

Maybe around M6 or M7 they'll release an external monitor that does more than 60hz.

You can do more than 60hz if you use HDMI. See https://support.apple.com/en-us/101571

Not sure for the downvote, but here is an excerpt for the M3 MBP from the link above:

> One display up to 4K at 144Hz over HDMI

The other M series have HDMI with similar speeds as long as it isn’t driving 8K.

Thunderbolt seems to be limited to 6K and 60Hz, but HDMI isn’t similarly limited (well, it can only do 60Hz with 8K). Hopefully there will be a thunderbolt successor they fixed the problem.

Re: Bloomberg: "Strong possibility" of M4 debuting on May 7 with new iPad Pro

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

jijijijij wrote: post #50
heywoodlh wrote: post #31

Having an iPad Pro with an M1, I grow increasingly frustrated each year with how incapable my iPad is compared to my Macbook/Linux laptops. iPadOS still feels like iOS with some visual tweaks to the larger screen real estate. It’s absolutely not a laptop killer for a sysadmin or developer (unless your preferred language is Swift). Maybe it’s a laptop killer for creative professionals? I think my iPad is an excellent…

Same. Don't buy an iPad! For real. It's a ridiculous device. Effectively no more useful than any other cheap tablet. Those tempting hardware features, you won't be able to use them in the end anyway, because of software limitations. You just can't do serious work with the iPad in practice. Trust me, after a short honeymoon period, and another few weeks of frustration, it will end up collecting dust and you will only…

I love the iPad for its stylus, it’s a great device for brainstorming even with just notes. I wish there was more creative software they took advantage of the form factor however, like a touch/stylus based programming environment.

Re: Bloomberg: "Strong possibility" of M4 debuting on May 7 with new iPad Pro

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Post by jijijijij »

jwhitlark wrote: post #25
jessriedel wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am a physicists (theory), and about a third of my work is “pencil and paper” calculations (and related notes) on the iPad Pro. I use it professionally ~20 hours per week.

May I ask if they are direct paper to screen transfers, or if there are specific features/apps that add extra value? I do a lot of work in (paper) engineering notebooks, and I'm curious about what improvements your workflow has.

Undo is one thing you get used to very quickly. Copy paste, select and move, change colors, erase without a trace... digital handwriting has a lot to offer.

However, the app ecosystem is lacking in terms of interoperability, feature completeness within one app and export/import capabilities, and there is nothing you can do about it in iPadOS. File management is pure pain unless you fully bought into Apple already.

It's very nice for brainstorming and making transient personal illustrations while learning and working through technical problems, but you won't get the feel and certainty of a physical notebook as an institution for persistent notes.

The iPad is way too expensive for what it has to offer, in practice.

That said, without its artificial limitations it would be the last computing device you'll ever need. It could be everything.

Re: Bloomberg: "Strong possibility" of M4 debuting on May 7 with new iPad Pro

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Post by tazu »

janderland wrote: post #34
tazu wrote: post #4

Maybe around M6 or M7 they'll release an external monitor that does more than 60hz.

I run dual 2k monitors at 144hz from my M2 MacBook. Works even with the laptop monitor on.

I meant the Studio Display. Most of the Pro phones/ipads/macbooks are 120hz now with high DPI. But the Studio Display is stuck at 60hz.

Re: Bloomberg: "Strong possibility" of M4 debuting on May 7 with new iPad Pro

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Post by TrainedMonkey »

aurareturn wrote: post #5
tromp wrote: post #2

Apple announced the M3 on October 30 last year, roughly 6 months ago. Have they ever announced successive chip designs in such a short time frame? Unless Mark Gurman has a record of making reliable predictions about Apple, I wouldn't give this much credence.

It's not completely insane. 1. N3B TSMC node used by M3 is reportedly low yielding. Apple likely wants to move away from it asap and move to N3E, which is the higher yielding node. 2. Rumors are that M3 Ultra is not planned due to low yields. M3 Max die shot does not have UltraFusion silicon. This supports the first theory. 3. Apple base the M chips on the A series cores. A18 Pro has already finished in design becaus…

I think 4 is underrated. From what I've seen Apple is making a play for on device inference. Gains on better screen, thinner phone, better camera selling points are pretty incremental now. But with on-device inference they now have access to: doubled the number, no cloud we care about privacy, on device translation capability, etc.

Re: Bloomberg: "Strong possibility" of M4 debuting on May 7 with new iPad Pro

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Post by jijijijij »

plufz wrote: post #53
jijijijij wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the iPad is only missing a keyboard to become a laptop hardware wise. In theory. The laptop is redundant. You can even have better ergonomics with a detachable screen. Basically a desktop setup with laptop mobility.

Fair enough, that makes sense and would be nice if it worked.

It would be the last device I ever need, if it did work like that... It actually hurts me, how its limitations are completely arbitrary and artificial. The iPad could be the best thing ever, yesterday. So, so frustrating and disappointing.
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