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Re: Google lays off its Python team

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post #177

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Based on the contents of the blog (as that's the only think I can talk about -- I was in the team pre 2022), it's mostly dead. JAX (and Keras) is where the push is now. And, grudgingly, PyTorch

Jax is next level though

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Re: Google lays off its Python team

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post #163

Outside of the ML groups, Google really doesn't like Python and there's very little of it in the codebase. This move isn't surprising in that light. Also, Google is IBM at this point, so I would expect a lot of IBM-like moves.

Python is mostly the Perl of the current day. And it attracts tons of beginners, that also means nearly equivalent amount of bad code(Just like in the Perl days). These days if you are doing serious work, you simply use Java. Especially if you want something running for years. Java is really the only option you have. A decade back I interviewed at a major telecommunications firm. Python was the new fashion then, they…

Do you realise how your comment sounds? No actual reason for any of the opinions, just "this happened" and words like "serious". What does serious means, is it type safe or something? Can you try again with substance?

Re: Google lays off its Python team

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post #163

Outside of the ML groups, Google really doesn't like Python and there's very little of it in the codebase. This move isn't surprising in that light. Also, Google is IBM at this point, so I would expect a lot of IBM-like moves.

Python is mostly the Perl of the current day. And it attracts tons of beginners, that also means nearly equivalent amount of bad code(Just like in the Perl days). These days if you are doing serious work, you simply use Java. Especially if you want something running for years. Java is really the only option you have. A decade back I interviewed at a major telecommunications firm. Python was the new fashion then, they…

Someone should rewrite this but Rust instead of Java; it would be a perfect meme.

Re: Google lays off its Python team

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Outside of the ML groups, Google really doesn't like Python and there's very little of it in the codebase. This move isn't surprising in that light. Also, Google is IBM at this point, so I would expect a lot of IBM-like moves.

They seem to support Python quite widely. There are a handful of languages that have an API for google cloud and the likes, Python is one of them

Re: Google lays off its Python team

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post #163

Outside of the ML groups, Google really doesn't like Python and there's very little of it in the codebase. This move isn't surprising in that light. Also, Google is IBM at this point, so I would expect a lot of IBM-like moves.

Python is mostly the Perl of the current day. And it attracts tons of beginners, that also means nearly equivalent amount of bad code(Just like in the Perl days). These days if you are doing serious work, you simply use Java. Especially if you want something running for years. Java is really the only option you have. A decade back I interviewed at a major telecommunications firm. Python was the new fashion then, they…

Using Python for a serious backend thing at a telecom firm is a big no-no, and I say that as a guy who has been paid to write Python code for almost 20 years now.

Re: Google lays off its Python team

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Google pays people by region. As I recall, SF, NYC, and Seattle get full wages, and other geos get discounted by a certain percentage. If you live in the US but not in one of those metros, your pay could be ~15% lower. Yesterday's layoffs seem to have been framed as reorgs. Some teams have been wholly dismissed. Some have been consolidated (two teams -> one team). There does seem to be a pattern that favors people in…

Wages by Geo is a Urs Hözle move, whom should get paid in NZ dollars.

Interesting, didn’t know that. I remember older threads of people fawning his accomplishments, but nothing about him being a cheap b*stard when it came to his colleagues salaries. We should do more of this name and shaming in our industry, it’s one of the few levers we still have at our disposition.

Re: Google lays off its Python team

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The post could have been made clearer. And also I’m surprised but they are good at scale.

Why, exactly. Do you not have the ability to take information and draw conclusions on your own -- like a functionally mindless automaton lacking a frontal lobe?

It wasn't made evidently clear.

> take information and draw conclusions on your own

That's exactly what I did do. I don't approve with your kindest choice of words, nonetheless you, being a lucky sperm, also have the right of free speech

Re: Google lays off its Python team

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post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Python is mostly the Perl of the current day. And it attracts tons of beginners, that also means nearly equivalent amount of bad code(Just like in the Perl days). These days if you are doing serious work, you simply use Java. Especially if you want something running for years. Java is really the only option you have. A decade back I interviewed at a major telecommunications firm. Python was the new fashion then, they…

Do you realise how your comment sounds? No actual reason for any of the opinions, just "this happened" and words like "serious". What does serious means, is it type safe or something? Can you try again with substance?

I think it's a copy pasta.

Re: Google lays off its Python team

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The post suggests their jobs were offshored. Is this a common practice versus just closing the roles? I feel like US legislators should do more to protect domestic jobs from domestic companies, or else they’ll face the same eventual collapse as in manufacturing.

Yes it’s common. At Google and across America. When Google did its massive 12k person layoff they moved a lot of those roles to places like India. They had another tranche of layoffs that were “delayed exit” to train those Indian employees.

You can call me bigoted or racist, I don't care. The fact is with moving technical roles to India quality plummets. But I can totally see how in some beancounter's narrow mind this makes perfect sense.
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