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VMware outsourcing their support

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Re: VMware outsourcing their support

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I vaguely remember being a very early user of VMWare, although I have long lost my license for it from the 1990s. I could have sworn there was a clause in there that early adopters had lifetime licenses and support.

Did anybody else become an early adopter but kept all that license stuff, or am I not remembering it correctly?

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Broadcom must have the most idiotic management from all the large tech companies. Everybody understands you buy a company to recoup the investment, streamline operations and push forward with new markets. But do you have to increase license prices by three times within the first quarter of an acquisition? Drop all free licenses that allowed for learning of your technologies? Even professionals with years of experienc…

This is literally what Broadcom does - it's just the first time most of the HN crowd has been subjected to it. See: bluecoat acquisition, Symantec acquisition. Drop any pretense that you want to service any customer outside of the fortune 500. Then increase prices by several hundred percent because you're so imbedded in those fortune 500s, even if they want to run from you it'll take them 5 years and you can make all…

Ah, the good old Computer Associates strategy alive and well in 2024

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What tools do Google, Amazon or Microsoft use? They are running millions of VMs, Presumably its proprietary?

Amazon uses Xen which they call "Xen 2" I think because they've made tons of improvements and optimizations over the years. Google uses kvm. They probably contribute as well although I haven't checked. From a quick search Azure uses a private build of hyper-v which surprises me actually but it's possible. Edit : millions of VMs doesn't mean anything, at the end of the day it's just servers each running a bunch of VM,…

What else would MS use? HyperV is very flexible. Even Xbox games are packaged up as HyperV VMs and are run in a specialised version.

Re: VMware outsourcing their support

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Let's see how that turns out for them this time. This was last year but buy now is probably 5 in 5...: "1 in 5 VMware customers plan to jump off its stack next year" - https://www.theregister.com/2023/11/08/vmware_customer_forre...

They want 1 in 5 VMWare customers to jump. If they don't, they'll be forcibly pushed off of the edge. Broadcom's entire growth model is to take an established player that is entrenched in massive corporations, introduce that product to the existing portfolio Broadcom offers that customer, and then jack the price on the lot. If you're not in the Fortune 500, Broadcom doesn't want to talk to you and if they keep your b…

And so the line goes up, while the product and everything else goes to shit

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If you are used to and like VMwares toolset you wont like Proxmox. I would not switch an enterprise from VMWare -> Proxmox without a really thorough analysis of what that will mean. That said the future of VMware is certainly in question.

Check out xen

+1 -- we moved to XCPng when citrix played this same game with xenserver a few years ago, and it's been a very positive move.

Re: VMware outsourcing their support

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is literally what Broadcom does - it's just the first time most of the HN crowd has been subjected to it. See: bluecoat acquisition, Symantec acquisition. Drop any pretense that you want to service any customer outside of the fortune 500. Then increase prices by several hundred percent because you're so imbedded in those fortune 500s, even if they want to run from you it'll take them 5 years and you can make all…

Ah, the good old Computer Associates strategy alive and well in 2024

Perhaps you already know this, others probably do not, but Broadcom acquired CA (computer associates) in 2016. So yes, literally the Computer Associates Strategy. "This IBM mainframe racket seems amazing, how can we replicate it???"

Note: you're all going to be complaining about Redhat in the next 5 years, because IBM knows how to get blood from a stone.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you are used to and like VMwares toolset you wont like Proxmox. I would not switch an enterprise from VMWare -> Proxmox without a really thorough analysis of what that will mean. That said the future of VMware is certainly in question.

Check out xen

How is xen a suitable alternative to VMware in a situation where proxmox isn't?

Re: VMware outsourcing their support

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Broadcom must have the most idiotic management from all the large tech companies. Everybody understands you buy a company to recoup the investment, streamline operations and push forward with new markets. But do you have to increase license prices by three times within the first quarter of an acquisition? Drop all free licenses that allowed for learning of your technologies? Even professionals with years of experienc…

The view of Broadcom is that VMWare has low growth potential and the route to maximum short term financial returns is to extract as much money as possible from the largest customers. So the strategy is to squeeze the 600 largest customers until they bleed, knowing they are so entrenched they cannot easily migrate. If the next couple of thousand stuck around as well that would be nice, but not essential. The long tail…

The last project I was working on at a major telcom before jumping ship was a project to migrate off of VMware onto KVM systems managed by Cloud Stack, they already have a major Open Stack environment but that's only for SDN stuff now.

We're talking over 10,000 ESXi hosts in the current footprint and at least 50% of them will be off VMware by the end of 2026.

If they were smart, the people they would be focusing on squeezing are the mid-sized shops that don't have the in-house skills or top level cost focus to force a migration. The small shops can't afford to stay on vmware, the very large shops will have the in-house skills or contract to the right people to get moved, it's the mid-sized people that are most stuck.

Re: VMware outsourcing their support

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you are used to and like VMwares toolset you wont like Proxmox. I would not switch an enterprise from VMWare -> Proxmox without a really thorough analysis of what that will mean. That said the future of VMware is certainly in question.

Check out xen

Or Triton DataCenter[1]

[1] https://docs.tritondatacenter.com/private-cloud

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