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Re: Google lays off its Python team

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stevage wrote: post #115
zem wrote: post #59

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in addition to contributing to upstream python, we * maintained a stable version of python within google, and made sure that everything in the monorepo worked with it. in my time on the team we moved from 2.7 to 3.6, then incrementally to 3.11, each update taking months to over a year because the rule at google is if you check any code in, you are responsible for every single breakage it causes * maintained tools to…

Can you say more about the automated refactoring? How did it work? How was it triggered? How much human involvement was there? Are any parts of it public?

can't say too much about it because it mostly used a lot of internal tools, but it was a combination of writing per-file utilities to do specific code transforms (think something like libcst), and then a framework to scan the google codebase, find affected files, and apply the transforms to them.

Re: Google lays off its Python team

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blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #2

The post suggests their jobs were offshored. Is this a common practice versus just closing the roles? I feel like US legislators should do more to protect domestic jobs from domestic companies, or else they’ll face the same eventual collapse as in manufacturing.

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Re: Google lays off its Python team

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Post by chucke1992 »

VBprogrammer wrote: post #8
blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #2

The post suggests their jobs were offshored. Is this a common practice versus just closing the roles? I feel like US legislators should do more to protect domestic jobs from domestic companies, or else they’ll face the same eventual collapse as in manufacturing.

This might be my prejudice but when someone talks about offshoring a role, moving it to Munich isn't the first thing that comes to mind. It may be slightly cheaper than California but not by so much that if expect it to be the main reason for doing so.

In USA it is quite easy to get above 200k USD. In Europe the comparable salary would be around 180k and it almost never reaches that point.

Even 100k is considered a lot.

Re: Google lays off its Python team

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Post by zem »

UncleMeat wrote: post #118
fargle wrote: post #60

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while i'm sympathetic, it still means you had a great deal going. if/when it ends you shouldn't get pissed off you got the opportunity in the first place - a visa isn't permanent. to be clear - what i was reacting to was the author's idea that he should reject capitalism and/or start a trade union, after having been a very, very , lucky player of the capitalism game indeed. it pisses me off when people making N multi…

A visa is not permanent, but it might as well be for Indian and Chinese citizens. The green card lottery can easily take decades. You could have gone to college, got married, had kids, bought a house, and maybe even see your kids graduate college and have kids of their own before you get guaranteed residency in the US. "Oh you should be happy you had a good thing going" is not something I'd find especially comforting…

thanks, glad someone understands! (i'm indian and stuck in just that situation)

Re: Google lays off its Python team

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Post by sitkack »

bsimpson wrote: post #40
Rapzid wrote: post #6

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This isn't the greatest submission and lacks any semblance of context. The poster is in Netherlands apparently and the new team in Germany? I have no idea what to make of this.

Google pays people by region. As I recall, SF, NYC, and Seattle get full wages, and other geos get discounted by a certain percentage. If you live in the US but not in one of those metros, your pay could be ~15% lower. Yesterday's layoffs seem to have been framed as reorgs. Some teams have been wholly dismissed. Some have been consolidated (two teams -> one team). There does seem to be a pattern that favors people in…

Wages by Geo is a Urs Hözle move, whom should get paid in NZ dollars.

Re: Google lays off its Python team

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Post by sitkack »

srockets wrote: post #95
algaeselect wrote: post #43

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On the internal memegen site, where people post and vote on memes, the AWU folks (they have a red logo around their profile picture, so easy to identify) are basically Debbie Downers. Constantly posting comments or memes shitting on the company. Whatever it is, see red logo around profile picture, you know it's going to be a "this company sucks" comment. They very much give me the vibe of the "late stage capitalism"…

Union's power is in the enforcement of employers to accept collective bargaining (that's why the misnamed US "right to work" laws are so effective at disenfranchising workers). AUW, as it currently organized, lacks that power, so yes, all that remains is bitching. Which is why memegen exists: it is a way to disarm Google's employees. Had they didn't had memegen to post on, the higher probability more would tunnel the…

Memegen is a way for employees to vent with no action taken by leadership. It serves its intended purpose.

Re: Google lays off its Python team

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Post by srockets »

sitkack wrote: post #138
srockets wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Union's power is in the enforcement of employers to accept collective bargaining (that's why the misnamed US "right to work" laws are so effective at disenfranchising workers). AUW, as it currently organized, lacks that power, so yes, all that remains is bitching. Which is why memegen exists: it is a way to disarm Google's employees. Had they didn't had memegen to post on, the higher probability more would tunnel the…

Memegen is a way for employees to vent with no action taken by leadership. It serves its intended purpose.

No further action taken by employees as well. If memegen didn’t exist, some might be inclined to escalate, actually forcing leadership to do better.
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