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Creatine found to improve cognitive performance during sleep deprivation

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Re: Creatine found to improve cognitive performance during sleep deprivation

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Taking creatine cured my lightheadedness that occurs when standing up after squatting for a few minutes, which happens a lot at my job (plumbing). It also reduced other negative effects of sleep deprivation, such as impaired cognition, but to a lesser degree.

How much do you take? How often?

1.5g-3g a day is fine. Powder form comes with little dosing spoon.. just do a little reading its very accessible.

Re: Creatine found to improve cognitive performance during sleep deprivation

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Why does medical get an exception for poor treatment

It's impossible for doctors and nurses to pass on everything they know about a patient during shift changes, which can be seen in the form of spikes in deaths and other bad outcomes right after care is handed over to a new team. Hence why they tend to do longer shifts. That effect is eventually balanced out by exhaustion, sleep deprivation, etc taking the same toll they do on everyone. Theoretically If you could redu…

I think the claim in your opening sentence is unproven.

Can we try to improve the handoff problem before trying to make sleep deprived doctors and nurses able to suffer for even longer?

Re: Creatine found to improve cognitive performance during sleep deprivation

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Why does medical get an exception for poor treatment

It's impossible for doctors and nurses to pass on everything they know about a patient during shift changes, which can be seen in the form of spikes in deaths and other bad outcomes right after care is handed over to a new team. Hence why they tend to do longer shifts. That effect is eventually balanced out by exhaustion, sleep deprivation, etc taking the same toll they do on everyone. Theoretically If you could redu…

What I just read sounded like “the solution to doctor burnout is even more doctor burnout” so that couldn’t possibly be what you really meant.

Re: Creatine found to improve cognitive performance during sleep deprivation

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Other consumables from meat with notable effects here are carnosine and taurine. Carnosine in particular helps with janitorial processes that happen during sleep.

I think Choline belongs in that list also. The difficulty of getting these on a vegan diet is the reason I started consuming bivalves

After switching to a vegan diet and after some experimentation with other variants, I have eventually settled on adding to the food small amounts of creatine monohydrate, taurine and choline bitartrate in pure powder form, exactly like you would add table salt.

For me it has worked fine.

However, among the nutritional supplements for a vegan diet I make a temporary exception for cod liver oil (or other fish oil). Even if there is an adequate vegan substitute (Schizochytrium oil, which is produced by a cultivated fungus-like organism, despite being marketed as "algae" oil), for now it is still too expensive. Its price has been slowly decreasing, so I expect that in a few years its price will become no greater than double in comparison with fish oil, when I would consider switching to it as acceptable.

Re: Creatine found to improve cognitive performance during sleep deprivation

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Why does medical get an exception for poor treatment

It shouldn't in general, but there are restricted cases where it's literally life and death and difficult/impossible to plan around.

I don't see how a work around for an intentional shortage can be acceptable if you are saying the AMA kills people and I think that you are.

Re: Creatine found to improve cognitive performance during sleep deprivation

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They have to mean 5g, as does the guy who responded to you who seems to have made the same mistake. The recommended dose on most creatine containers is around 5 grams. 5mg is so little that it would be impossible to measure without a mg scale.

The last sentence there is an impressively neat tautology. I love it

Is it really a tautology though?

Re: Creatine found to improve cognitive performance during sleep deprivation

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Why does medical get an exception for poor treatment

It's impossible for doctors and nurses to pass on everything they know about a patient during shift changes, which can be seen in the form of spikes in deaths and other bad outcomes right after care is handed over to a new team. Hence why they tend to do longer shifts. That effect is eventually balanced out by exhaustion, sleep deprivation, etc taking the same toll they do on everyone. Theoretically If you could redu…

I would frame this as using creatine as a welcome mitigation for existing burnout from long shifts.

Not enabling the same burnout for even longer shifts.

Burnout and just simple short term fatigue both also create patient risk.

We have drugs that would allow very long completely alert shifts, with few side effects for single use. But there is no way to do that regularly in a mentally (or physically) healthy sustainable way.

I can see those being used by a battlefield medic, or in a disaster zone, for one off critical situations.

Re: Creatine found to improve cognitive performance during sleep deprivation

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The last sentence there is an impressively neat tautology. I love it

I always wondered why I couldn’t measure mg with my gram scale! I just kept asking myself where are the sig figs?

To your snark, I was meaning to convey that a standard kitchen scale wouldn't be accurate enough to measure 5mg, necessitating what is typically referred to as a precision or mg scale.

https://awscales.com/gemini-20-precision-milligram-scale/

Re: Creatine found to improve cognitive performance during sleep deprivation

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I love creatine for the amplified neural oscillations produced by the greater efficiencies in the ATP metabolism. I experience more "deep work", or the ability for me to focus for longer periods/stretches of time.

So instead of that shallow caffeine buzz, and relying on a stress hormone for extra energy, why haven't I thought of this before..

Re: Creatine found to improve cognitive performance during sleep deprivation

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There's been no studies that verify that claim as far as I know.

Found this review which backs up what you said: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7871530/

It also disproves several other myths surrounding creatine, like kidney damage.
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