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Tesla's 2M car Autopilot recall is now under federal scrutiny

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Re: Tesla's 2M car Autopilot recall is now under federal scrutiny

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Post by psunavy03 »

vasco wrote: post #9
psunavy03 wrote: post #8

At some point, I just don't get how a lot of this is Tesla's problem. I'll buy that they should have called it something other than "Autopilot" and "Full Self Driving." But ultimately if it's in the manual saying "this is not fully automated and you must pay attention to the road," it should be on the driver to be held liable for abusing the system. Sure, go after Tesla if the system endangers people via spurious inp…

> Just hammer the people who abuse them with reckless driving charges. That surely helps the now dead people they crash into. The manufacturer can prevent deaths by adding safety features, so it should to a reasonable extent.

So we are also going to require breathalyzer interlocks on everyone's car as well?

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Post by spamizbad »

lukan wrote: post #10
loudmax wrote: post #7

If Tesla hadn't named their driver assistance system "Autopilot" they would have saved so much trouble (not to mention lives).

Autopilots in planes maintain altitude and speed and no landing or evasion. But full self driving was a broken promise.

Sure, but there's an expectation that an automobile will be driven by virtually any adult that can pass a basic driving test. An airplane requires extensive training and certification.

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Post by ado__dev »

psunavy03 wrote: post #8

At some point, I just don't get how a lot of this is Tesla's problem. I'll buy that they should have called it something other than "Autopilot" and "Full Self Driving." But ultimately if it's in the manual saying "this is not fully automated and you must pay attention to the road," it should be on the driver to be held liable for abusing the system. Sure, go after Tesla if the system endangers people via spurious inp…

A lot of Tesla marketing over the years has been super deceptive to the point that a lot of people assume the car is capable of fully self driving itself. I've had a model 3 since 2018 and the number of people that have asked "do you ever drive yourself?" is too damn high.

So Tesla actively does everything they can to make people thing the system is way more capable than it really is. Then shows a small popup the first time you use it that tells you "j/k it doesn't really do any of this, goodluck". I feel like eventually they'll be held accountable for it, but the bureaucracy moves veryyyy slowly.

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Post by tgma »

loudmax wrote: post #7

If Tesla hadn't named their driver assistance system "Autopilot" they would have saved so much trouble (not to mention lives).

I can see you can potentially argue (unsuccessfully IMHO) that it is marketing fraud in inducing purchases of the vehicle, but I don't buy it that a single person who actually owns the vehicle and have driven on Autopilot for more than a week is confused by the abilities of the system because the name is Autopilot. People text and drive _all the time_ on their ICE carriages without Autopilot too. Thus the claim that renaming it would have saved a life, let alone lives, is simply sensationalism.

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Post by dawnerd »

psunavy03 wrote: post #8

At some point, I just don't get how a lot of this is Tesla's problem. I'll buy that they should have called it something other than "Autopilot" and "Full Self Driving." But ultimately if it's in the manual saying "this is not fully automated and you must pay attention to the road," it should be on the driver to be held liable for abusing the system. Sure, go after Tesla if the system endangers people via spurious inp…

> But it's also not Tesla's responsibility to nanny people

It literally is.

> Self-driving systems shouldn't need all these "are you paying attention" bells and whistles.

It's not self driving at all. That's the problem.

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Post by bombcar »

lukan wrote: post #10
loudmax wrote: post #7

If Tesla hadn't named their driver assistance system "Autopilot" they would have saved so much trouble (not to mention lives).

Autopilots in planes maintain altitude and speed and no landing or evasion. But full self driving was a broken promise.

Autoland exists - but it's potentially more like calling a trim wheel "autopilot" or an ILS system "autoland".

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Post by kwhitefoot »

lukan wrote: post #10
loudmax wrote: post #7

If Tesla hadn't named their driver assistance system "Autopilot" they would have saved so much trouble (not to mention lives).

Autopilots in planes maintain altitude and speed and no landing or evasion. But full self driving was a broken promise.

Autopilot is not FSD.

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Post by lakhim »

psunavy03 wrote: post #8

At some point, I just don't get how a lot of this is Tesla's problem. I'll buy that they should have called it something other than "Autopilot" and "Full Self Driving." But ultimately if it's in the manual saying "this is not fully automated and you must pay attention to the road," it should be on the driver to be held liable for abusing the system. Sure, go after Tesla if the system endangers people via spurious inp…

If you sold alcohol called "Safe Drive Juice", implied in advertisement that you can drive safe while drinking it, even made you a better driver, in tweets and press releases said that this is the future and everyone should use it, and if they did they'd be safer drivers, it doesn't matter if you put a note at the bottom that said "doesn't actually let you drive safe, please don't drink and drive"

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Post by osrec »

psunavy03 wrote: post #8

At some point, I just don't get how a lot of this is Tesla's problem. I'll buy that they should have called it something other than "Autopilot" and "Full Self Driving." But ultimately if it's in the manual saying "this is not fully automated and you must pay attention to the road," it should be on the driver to be held liable for abusing the system. Sure, go after Tesla if the system endangers people via spurious inp…

I remember back in 2013 when I first drove a Tesla, they were really pushing the self driving features at my local dealership. I can't help but feel like they were overselling their capabilities, and their staff could well have made a gullible person believe the car really does drive itself perfectly.
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