Tesla's 2M car Autopilot recall is now under federal scrutiny

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Post by thunderbong » Fri, Apr 26, 2024, 4:48 PM UTC

Tesla's 2M car Autopilot recall is now under federal scrutiny
arstechnica.com

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Post by drcode » Fri, Apr 26, 2024, 5:00 PM UTC

Amusing that they went with a photo from 2014 to illustrate the article

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Post by altairprime » Fri, Apr 26, 2024, 5:01 PM UTC

The investigation conclusions are just over one page long and are plainly written:

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/inv/2022/INCLA-EA22002-14498.pd... [pdf]

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Post by jycr753 » Fri, Apr 26, 2024, 5:02 PM UTC

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Post by landonxjames » Fri, Apr 26, 2024, 5:02 PM UTC

drcode wrote: post #2

Amusing that they went with a photo from 2014 to illustrate the article

I believe 2014 is the model year of that Tesla, it seems like that particular crash was in 2018. https://incidentdatabase.ai/cite/320/

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Post by LeafItAlone » Fri, Apr 26, 2024, 5:03 PM UTC

drcode wrote: post #2

Amusing that they went with a photo from 2014 to illustrate the article

It says

> A 2014 Tesla Model S

the vehicle is a 2014.

The photo is of a Jan 2018 crash

https://www.ocregister.com/2019/09/04/ntsb-tesla-autopilot-l...

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Post by loudmax » Fri, Apr 26, 2024, 5:04 PM UTC

If Tesla hadn't named their driver assistance system "Autopilot" they would have saved so much trouble (not to mention lives).

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Post by psunavy03 » Fri, Apr 26, 2024, 5:04 PM UTC

At some point, I just don't get how a lot of this is Tesla's problem. I'll buy that they should have called it something other than "Autopilot" and "Full Self Driving." But ultimately if it's in the manual saying "this is not fully automated and you must pay attention to the road," it should be on the driver to be held liable for abusing the system.

Sure, go after Tesla if the system endangers people via spurious inputs or dangerous maneuvers. But it's also not Tesla's responsibility to nanny people any more than alcohol manufacturers are held liable for drunk driving. If some idiot zones out on their phone or tries to "drive" from the back seat, their negligence is not Tesla's responsibility.

Self-driving systems shouldn't need all these "are you paying attention" bells and whistles. Just hammer the people who abuse them with reckless driving charges.

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Post by vasco » Fri, Apr 26, 2024, 5:06 PM UTC

psunavy03 wrote: post #8

At some point, I just don't get how a lot of this is Tesla's problem. I'll buy that they should have called it something other than "Autopilot" and "Full Self Driving." But ultimately if it's in the manual saying "this is not fully automated and you must pay attention to the road," it should be on the driver to be held liable for abusing the system. Sure, go after Tesla if the system endangers people via spurious inp…

> Just hammer the people who abuse them with reckless driving charges.

That surely helps the now dead people they crash into. The manufacturer can prevent deaths by adding safety features, so it should to a reasonable extent.

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Post by lukan » Fri, Apr 26, 2024, 5:07 PM UTC

loudmax wrote: post #7

If Tesla hadn't named their driver assistance system "Autopilot" they would have saved so much trouble (not to mention lives).

Autopilots in planes maintain altitude and speed and no landing or evasion.

But full self driving was a broken promise.