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You are what you read, even if you don't always remember it

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Re: You are what you read, even if you don't always remember it

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I don't think the blog post necessarily supports this view. You still have your free will. Your past experiences also teach you what to ignore. You are free to do that to my comment. :)

Free will hasn’t been proven. It’s up in the air how much is predetermined, and how to even define “free” in the context of free will. Even if we do have free will it’s still influenced to some degree by our biology.

Free will hasn't been disproven either. It's up in the air how much is undetermined, and how to define being "schakled" in the context of no free will. Even if we are affected by ourself and others, that does not prove a lack of free will.

Re: You are what you read, even if you don't always remember it

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> I find it very cruel What's a better and less cruel alternative?

Trying to address the problems in environments that produce unwanted behavior. And help the individuals exhibiting such behavior to change it. I find re-education, be it camps or not, a lot less cruel and effective than e.g. throwing people in prisons or killing them.

We already do this. "Re-education" (yikes at the word, but I see what you mean) is an attempt to get people to make better choices. E.g. to use their will to override their impulses.

Re: You are what you read, even if you don't always remember it

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  But how had I come to believe in this idea in the first place? A
  combination of my own experience and other things I'd read.
  None of which I could at that moment remember! And eventually
  I'd forget that Hilbert had confirmed it too. But my increased
  belief in the importance of this idea would remain something I'd
  learned from this book, even after I'd forgotten I'd learned it.
  Reading and experience train your model of the world. And even
  if you forget the experience or what you read, its effect on your
  model of the world persists. Your mind is like a compiled program
  you've lost the source of. It works, but you don't know why.
  
  The place to look for what I learned from Villehardouin's chronicle
  is not what I remember from it, but my mental models of the
  crusades, Venice, medieval culture, siege warfare, and so on.
  Which doesn't mean I couldn't have read more attentively, but at
  least the harvest of reading is not so miserably small as it might
  seem.
  
  This is one of those things that seem obvious in retrospect. But it
  was a Surprise to me and presumably would be to anyone else
  who felt uneasy about (apparently) forgetting so much they'd
  read.
  
  Realizing it does more than make you feel a little better about
  forgetting, though. There are specific implications.
  
  For example, reading and experience are usually "compiled" at
  the time they happen, using the state of your brain at that time.
  The same book would get compiled differently at different points
  in your life. Which means it is very much worth reading important
  books multiple times. I always used to feel some misgivings
  about rereading books. I unconsciously lumped reading together
  with work like carpentry, where having to do something again is a
  sign you did it wrong the first time. Whereas now the phrase
  "already read" seems almost ill-formed.
[1] P. Graham. How you know. Dec 2014.

https://www.paulgraham.com/know.html

Re: You are what you read, even if you don't always remember it

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But how had I come to believe in this idea in the first place? A combination of my own experience and other things I'd read. None of which I could at that moment remember! And eventually I'd forget that Hilbert had confirmed it too. But my increased belief in the importance of this idea would remain something I'd learned from this book, even after I'd forgotten I'd learned it. Reading and experience train your model…

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Re: You are what you read, even if you don't always remember it

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> If you accept the fact that, like in addictions, your brain chemistry makes you smoke cigarettes or drink alcohol even when you know you’ll die from it and know it makes you miserable then how can you be convinced that you really control your normal behaviors ? Your brain chemistry is part of this will, though. > science now knows that changing behavior is hard I don't think science knows things. And while changing…

>Your brain chemistry is part of this will, though. But here's the thing, given enough knowledge that chemistry is deterministic. Will seems to be one of those words we've created from deep ignorance, much like consciousness, and the more we learn about the world and ourselves the less our old views make sense.

I think you've just invented Victorian-era determinism.

What causes someone to suppress doing something they want to do, but have decided is wrong, even if they will never be caught? Or to do something they don't want to do, but have decided is right, even if no-one will ever know?

I would call that "will".

Re: You are what you read, even if you don't always remember it

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Is this actually true? I know the text sounds really nice. Also citing nicely crafted words from famous poeple helps. I guess roughly, this is right. But there's more to add. I have a brain with a certain configuration. This configuration is partly genetic and partly environmental. The environmental part has been shaped by every sensory input so far, including all the books. However, some books resonate well. They ma…

>Our brain has a mechanism to put more or less weight on sensory input given previous input I've always liked to say "free will isn't your current decision, but your previous one"

"free will is your current decision (possibly influenced by) your previous ones" ?

At the end of the day, you are still making the choice, even if you are using your previous experiences. As in you would still have the option to disregard your previous experiences and arbitrarily make a new decision.

Re: You are what you read, even if you don't always remember it

#438

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I have also not found a great way to take notes while reading books, but most of my reading is on my computer right now. That makes digital note taking the obvious choice, and space isn't really an issue in that case. My way of deciding what to take notes on is by simply asking myself: could I want to remember this in the future? If the answer is yes (it usually is if I even considered asking it) I make a note of it.…

I use Obsidian at work to organize and plan. When looking up ways to effectively use that I stumbled down the Zettelkasten rabbit hole. It’s a little too involved for my needs. It seems like it might be good if I was doing research to write a book, but is too involved for my daily life. I can see where taking and organizing the notes would turn into a hobby, which is enough of a problem for me already. I’ve considere…

> I’ve considered reading on the computer, maybe I should actually give it a try.

I should note that I haven't actually gotten into a workflow where I read ebooks and take notes. Most of the reading I do is documentation for systems I program with. I take tons of notes on documentation so I can easily find what I need again in the future.

Re: You are what you read, even if you don't always remember it

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I never understand what people are asking when they debate free will. It's a brain's process. Everybody's got one. Your brain's process isn't necessarily lovely to you, and doesn't necessarily do what you (the brain process) admire, like, or prefer. It's subject to outside influence and isn't perfectly under it's own control, because it's a cranky machine and goes wrong a lot. Some parts of it conflict with other par…

If consciousness (and choices, the output of consciousness) is completely determined by the brain's physical process, then there is no such thing as "libertarian free will" which is what people typically mean when they say "free will".

Metaphysical libertarianism. Yeah, by definition, that's not compatible with the view that everything is determined by physical processes. This is just people freaking out over determinism. I kind of see why. "I am a physical process" sounds like "I am controlled by fate and my choices are pointless". But a person is a process that can't see the future, and a process that experiments and discovers things. Choices are the deterministic process: the person determines things. I could repeat this several times in different words but I'd just be trying to placate a kind of paranoia that happens when people realise they're physical.

Re: You are what you read, even if you don't always remember it

#440

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If consciousness (and choices, the output of consciousness) is completely determined by the brain's physical process, then there is no such thing as "libertarian free will" which is what people typically mean when they say "free will".

Metaphysical libertarianism. Yeah, by definition, that's not compatible with the view that everything is determined by physical processes. This is just people freaking out over determinism. I kind of see why. "I am a physical process" sounds like "I am controlled by fate and my choices are pointless". But a person is a process that can't see the future, and a process that experiments and discovers things. Choices are…

Why are you framing this in terms of placating my paranoia? I have no objection to my lack of free will, it does not bother me. It makes me more empathetic to recognize that others lack it as well.
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