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Three women contract HIV from dirty "vampire facials" at unlicensed spa

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Re: Three women contract HIV from dirty "vampire facials" at unlicensed spa

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Post by ryoshu »

helsinkiandrew wrote: post #11
ultimoo wrote: post #2

> "Vampire facial" is the common name for a platelet-rich plasma microneedling procedure. In this treatment, a patient's blood is drawn, spun down to separate out plasma from blood cells, and the platelet-rich plasma is then injected into the face with microneedles. It's claimed—with little evidence—that it can rejuvenate and improve the look of skin, and got notable promotions from celebrities, including Gwyneth Pal…

> In an inspection in the fall of 2018, health investigators found shocking conditions: unwrapped syringes in drawers and counters, unlabeled tubes of blood sitting out on a kitchen counter, more unlabeled blood and medical injectables alongside food in a kitchen fridge, and disposable equipment—electric desiccator tips—that were reused. The facility also did not have an autoclave—a pressurized oven—for sterilizing e…

Tattoo studios have better hygiene.

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Post by kube-system »

slingnow wrote: post #20
lsaferite wrote: post #13

Just a meta-observation on the discourse here. I'm _shocked_ that the discourse on ArsTechnica for this story seems civilized while here on HN it's all (so far) snark.

Really? HN has been a mini-Reddit for quite some time now. Frequently just a bunch of low quality, unfunny and recycled one-liners hoping to grab a few precious internet points.

That's a semi-noob illusion, as old as the hills.

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Post by cat_plus_plus »

hollywood_court wrote: post #3

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You can't regulate stupidity and also I am against my stupidity being regulated. I might want to jump out of a perfectly good moving plane midflight to experience the thrill of what people then have to do to possibly survive, let me. Otherwise I will do it anyway without benefit of being able to research different legal providers of this thrill.

One could argue for "explain what risks are and which precautions we are and aren't taking" government regulation and in fact I had to sign a slip of paper saying that jumping out of plane might be dangerous. But do you really expect idiots to listen?

Two horny people might also have sex and pass HIV to each other. Unlike conservatives (marriage license) or liberals (MeToo consent form), libertarians like myself do not want to force them to sign a piece of paper first, though I think they should exercise due diligence. As a practical matter, I don't actually care if you have to sign a piece of paper before getting a vampire facial, it will not ruin the mood to the same degree. But how much difference would it actually make given all the numerous ways one can hurt themselves doing stupid things? If you try to regulate all of them, that would really be a totalitarian nightmare where government is constantly watching you and stopping you from living your life as you want.

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Post by moooo99 »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #40
moooo99 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Notice how it's never men doing stupidly risky stuff to try to look young and beautiful. Steroid use is increasingly common among "hobby bodybuilders", a predominantly male demographic, which has all sorts of nasty side effects. Now there are apparently also procedures where young men break their bones to gain a few centimeters in height. While cosmetic procedures aren't as common among men as they are in women, th…

They also prescribe steroids to boost your immune system when you have nasty infections, so it's not cut and dried that "steroids = all downside and stupidity." Unless you want to insist modern medicine has deep flaws and needs a major overhaul. Good luck getting taken seriously with such opinions.

I was of the impression that when talking about stupid things people do to themselves, it did not specifically need to be said that I am talking about anabolic steroid abuse without a prescription, for the purpose of performance enhancement.

No need to strawman my comment

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Post by DoreenMichele »

moooo99 wrote: post #35
DoreenMichele wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, never heard of them. And didn't claim you don't. But it's not this shit in the name of youth and beauty.

> But it's not this shit in the name of youth and beauty. Yeah its shit in the name of a bigger biceps and a bigger junk, I don't see how that is any better?

Women get surgery to get bigger boobs, primarily as a looks thing.

Are we at the stage of inserting silicone in your junk so your jock strap looks better?

(Please note you can just pad your bra if you want to look busty fully clothed. And it leaves scars, so I'm skeptical of the value it has for looking good naked or in teeny, tiny bikinis.)

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Post by serf »

itishappy wrote: post #26
DoreenMichele wrote: post #24

Notice how it's never men doing stupidly risky stuff to try to look young and beautiful. The societal pressure on women to look young and beautiful is ridiculous. And influential women actively promoting such garbage is part of the problem. Men get former Mr. Universe's modeling "eat right and exercise." (Arnold in case you aren't getting the reference.) Women get this kind of crap.

Oh, we do our share of dumb shit too. Ever heard of synthol or jelqing?

steroids are dangerous, but did I miss an article somewhere where jelqing gave someone HIV?

It might be useless, but I wouldn't tell someone with a useless habit that it's dangerous.

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Post by barbazoo »

lsaferite wrote: post #13

Just a meta-observation on the discourse here. I'm _shocked_ that the discourse on ArsTechnica for this story seems civilized while here on HN it's all (so far) snark.

What kind comments do you hope for for a post like this that has very little to do with what’s normally discussed on HN?

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Post by diogenescynic »

cultofmetatron wrote: post #25
gorjusborg wrote: post #4

Who knew that there might be risks from injecting pieces of other people's bodies into your own?

> injecting pieces of other people's bodies I've had this done. They draw your own blood and run it through a centrifuge to extract the plasma. there is NO reason the people getting this should have had to worry if not for the complete and other negligence and callousness of th clinic.

Do you think the staff making minimum wage (or less) at a salon are qualified to do that? Is this a regulated industry with certification for these treatments? Genuinely asking because I barely feel comfortable having my blood drawn at an actual medical lab by a random worker.
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