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Cult of the Dead Cow – Veilid (2023)

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Re: Cult of the Dead Cow – Veilid (2023)

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Post by the_real_cher »

flipdot wrote: post #10
gryfft wrote: post #3

The web needs more sites hosting raw .html pages formatted as plain text decorated with ASCII art with zero regard for mobile. I say this with complete sincerity.

What about accessibility?

Wouldn't raw html be better for accessibility than a JS framework? Saying this as a non-front end dev.

Re: Cult of the Dead Cow – Veilid (2023)

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Post by warkdarrior »

flipdot wrote: post #10
gryfft wrote: post #3

The web needs more sites hosting raw .html pages formatted as plain text decorated with ASCII art with zero regard for mobile. I say this with complete sincerity.

What about accessibility?

Fuck accessibility. We're hackers, if it was hard to write, it should be hard to read.

Re: Cult of the Dead Cow – Veilid (2023)

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Post by CuriousCosmic »

debo_ wrote: post #6

This feels like it would have been edgy and cool 30 years ago.

FYI: Cult of the Dead Cow is a hacker group that has been around since the 80s. Hell a number of members actually have testified in congress before (i.e. the CdC members that were also part of L0pht).

Re: Cult of the Dead Cow – Veilid (2023)

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Post by jrochkind1 »

debo_ wrote: post #6

This feels like it would have been edgy and cool 30 years ago.

I don't know if you're talking about the design or content. But on design... So Cult of the Dead Cow has literally been around for 40 years.

And this is what their "pages" looked like before the web, when ascii on TTY was all you had.

Ironically, however, the first actual web page of theirs IA has, in 1998, does _not_ look like this, they didn't actually think at that point it would be edgy and cool to make the brand new web look like an ASCII tty.

https://web.archive.org/web/19980209125729/http://cultdeadco...

It actually wasn't until 2019 they decided it would be maybe edgy and cool to make their webpage look like an ascii tty from 1990.

https://web.archive.org/web/20190530041326/https://cultdeadc...

Re: Cult of the Dead Cow – Veilid (2023)

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Post by solardev »

Weren't these the guys who released BackOrifice back in the day? It was a simple to use remote control trojan with a nice GUI... had a blast with it :P https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Back_Orifice?wprov=sfla1

As a kid, I attached it to some shareware game and sent it to a friend, letting it lurk. I called him up a few days later. And then once we started playing the game, I waited for a suspenseful moment to suddenly play back a loud scream .WAV that I uploaded previously. My friend jumped out of his chair and screamed himself and ran out of the room.

He eventually came back, hyperventilating, and sat down to try to tell me what happened, only for his CD tray to start opening and closing at random. He ran away again, swearing about his haunted PC...

Eventually he told the school principal, who sat us down and made us explain what modems and trojans and ports were. Then he asked us if we knew what an orifice was, and how that was connected to ports... sigh, the kind of discussion you never wanted to have with a grown-up.

We were young. The internet was young. Things were wild and free and not so hypercommercialized and buttoned down yet. Google wasn't around and Apple was for homework and Hypercard. Microsoft still had flight simulators in Excel. Good times...

Re: Cult of the Dead Cow – Veilid (2023)

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Post by solardev »

flipdot wrote: post #10
gryfft wrote: post #3

The web needs more sites hosting raw .html pages formatted as plain text decorated with ASCII art with zero regard for mobile. I say this with complete sincerity.

What about accessibility?

That's what 8-bit text to speech was for, played from the PC Speaker for maximum effect. It sounded like Stephen Hawking choking on vodka, but that somehow fit the mood.

Re: Cult of the Dead Cow – Veilid (2023)

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Post by ivan_gammel »

the_real_cher wrote: post #11
flipdot wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about accessibility?

Wouldn't raw html be better for accessibility than a JS framework? Saying this as a non-front end dev.

If done correctly it doesn’t matter. SSR can yield an accessible HTML page and you won’t notice the difference. Client-side JS can adapt the web site to your needs -a personalization that is hard to achieve in static.

Re: Cult of the Dead Cow – Veilid (2023)

#19

Post by Conlectus »

the_real_cher wrote: post #11
flipdot wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about accessibility?

Wouldn't raw html be better for accessibility than a JS framework? Saying this as a non-front end dev.

Raw HTML: potentially. Big blocks of undifferentiated ASCII art: no.
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