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Multiple Displays on a Mac Sucks

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Re: Multiple Displays on a Mac Sucks

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I'm on Linux and I don't have any of these issues

Tiling window manager with rules for window placements. It's not for non-devs, but for me it's perfect.

Same. I started using ion3 in like 2002, switched to xmonad a couple years later, then sway for the last four years. Multi-monitor setups pretty much the whole time and it's been smooth.

Re: Multiple Displays on a Mac Sucks

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I'm fascinated by the responses to posts critical of Apple and macOS in particular:

- Works well for me!

- Windows is just as bad

- I tried Linux, and something else was bad

- Just get this app (only $29!) that attempts to fix this issue (but uses undocumented OS APIs and will break in the next OS update)

- Don't do what you're doing (just use one screen, use mouse gestures instead keyboard shortcuts, buy AirPods instead of your BT headset, ...)

- It used to work better. Thats why I refuse to upgrade from Ventura (Catalina, Tiger, ...)

- Yeah, it's terrible, but what can you do? This is what the planet's best minds came up with, after all.

- It's not bad, it's actually good! The fact that you point out these so called "flaws" says more about your rigid mind and lack of taste than it does about macOS and I am, quite frankly, embarrassed on your behalf. You must embrace the Apple philosophy or buy a PC.

Re: Multiple Displays on a Mac Sucks

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I seriously have none of these problems which makes me wonder what‘s wrong with me / my perception. (Intel and Apple Silicon MBPs, two external Dell Displays.)

As a Mac user of decades I rarely use the dock though, but mostly shortcuts and spotlight.

Re: Multiple Displays on a Mac Sucks

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You could give Asahi Linux a spin? https://asahilinux.org/

Yeah thanks, I know that, is it usable enough as a daily driver already?

Considering this is an article about multiple displays - no.

There is a single dev (Sven Peter) working on Thunderbolt support which would enable external displays and he has limited dev time.

Re: Multiple Displays on a Mac Sucks

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I don't think the issues of multi display really are only due the OS, my personal experience on multiple platform is that is suck regardless of whatever one thinks the solution would be. There are insolvable constraints implied by multi display: - Screen going on and off is an asynchronous mechanism that the OS has to treat by an event driven implementation. - All states must be valid (all graphical stuff must be put…

I don't think that the problems should be insurmountable, but I agree that the apple operating systems are not the only (or perhaps even worst) offenders.

What I consider to be absolutely basic - if I am sat at my desk plugged into two other screens and I have a particular screen set up, then I disconnect and go off to a meeting and come back 30 minutes later, I want my set up to return to it's original layout. Bonus points for making the setup while on the move also useable (perhaps converting screens into workspaces or something).

Re: Multiple Displays on a Mac Sucks

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I’ve had none of the issues OP complains about. Windows do open on the wrong screen, but I keep the same windows open for months at a time.

Yes - I noticed that the OP mentions they reboot a lot. If you just reboot for OS updates, and use sleep the rest of the time, most (all?) of these problems go away. Same for closing apps - with modern OS's keeping an app open is likely not an issue as it'll not consume resources when not in focus, unless it's running a heap of background tasks.

OP has PTSD from wintel computers i guess. People move to macs and don't expect sleep to work, expect to need a mouse for their laptops etc.

I could contradict the entire article with my personal experiences if I took the time. Been using multiple monitor Macs (and Linux before them) for ages.

> When the Dock is on the side, it only appears on the display that is farthest to that side. Having to move the mouse across multiple displays just to get to the Dock is untenably slow and awkward.

Who uses the dock? What's wrong with Cmd+Tab and starting applications from Cmd+space? The dock is where I look for that app I only use every 3 weeks but I still keep open...

> If – in a typical horizontal arrangement – you give the two displays equal priority in placement, you end up with one to your left and one to your right, with a very irritating gap between them in the one place it’s natural to look – straight ahead of you.

> Whatever it is, I just cannot get comfortable moving between displays frequently.

Look at those items. It never ever occured to me to place two monitors symmetrically with the space between them exactly in front of my eyes. You have a primary and a secondary, the primary is in front of you and the secondary is on a side, and not parallel to the primary so you keep the same distance.

I'd rephrase it as "dual monitors sucks for me, and I happen to be on a Mac so I blame the Mac".

I think the OP is the target audience for those ultrawides...

Re: Multiple Displays on a Mac Sucks

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I don’t understand why Apple doesn’t support daisy chaining multiple monitors using DisplayPort Multi-Stream Transport (MST). That would be an elegant solution that also would fit Apple’s style.

This person here seems to have gotten daisy chaining of two 4K monitors working just fine on a Macbook Pro with an M1 Pro chip: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/253341707?sortBy=best

They noted that their monitor came with cables that didn't support daisy chaining, when they upgraded their cables to ones that supported 40 Gbit/s then everything was fine.

Re: Multiple Displays on a Mac Sucks

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I don't get why the screens sometimes swap around. It makes no sense to me that sometimes when I log in, my extra screens are switched and I have to move all the contents. The machine has the serial numbers of the screens, and it knows what ports they are connected to. Why can they not just use that information to remember where stuff is supposed to be? The other thing that annoys me is that it changes the background…

There was an article here on hn like a week ago. Apparently a lot of manufacturers ship monitors with identical serial numbers, so the os can’t identify them.

This is indeed the main problem. If you have two screens of the same model, the OS is unable to see which is which. This also goes for many USB devices (such as webcams that randomly swap).
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