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FCC votes to restore net neutrality rules

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Hm. I would encourage a different, less intense angle here. It’s possible the doomsday didn’t come to pass because a lot of passionate people worked very hard to make sure we avoided it.

The null hypothesis is that market forces takes care of it. Like your airline ticket prices. The onus of proof is on you to market forces aren't enough.

That's an insane null hypothesis.

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The FTC chair and this honestly is the best reason to vote for the Biden Administration (I feel like at this point whose in office largely doesn't matter 98% of the time, they're too old and or self absorbed to be heavily involved). Really just voting for the people they put in charge of everything below them, which was always the case, just more so now.

I think these are great reasons to vote for Biden (or Democrats in general), but... I mean... the best reasons? I'd think the best reason would be not putting the country back into the hands of a wannabe dictator who has said he will target his political opponents if he's re-elected. That seems quite a bit more high stakes than the good work that the FTC and now FCC have been doing on Biden's watch.

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It's probably because none of the hysterics or doomsday propaganda actually came to pass.

The doomsday "propaganda" didn't come to pass because several states and localities promptly passed their own net neutrality laws after it was deregulated at the federal level. The larger ISPs couldn't find a workable way to implement their non-neutral bullshit in some markets but not others, and the local ISPs in places with no net neutrality laws never really had enough clout to do crappy things in the first place.

I didn't know that. That's actually a good explanation for the why.

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The usual claim in right libertarian circles is that monopolies only arise because they can bribe the government into passing laws that enable them to exist.

Or everyone is happy with the monopoly.

Yep, the Peter Thiel school of thought. But people like that tend to not stay libertarian in any meaningful sense for long; to quote Thiel himself, "I no longer believe that freedom and democracy are compatible". That's how you get neo-reactionaries, basically.

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The American libertarian dream confuses me because unlike libertarians abroad (where it's a synonym with "anarchist") they stop with political authority, and seem to have no issue with corporate authority. The ISP business in the USA is very clearly an oligopoly with the top players colluding. Not sure how a rugged individual is supposed to fight back against that.

The usual claim in right libertarian circles is that monopolies only arise because they can bribe the government into passing laws that enable them to exist.

The usual claim in right-libertarian circles is that it is only possible for monopolies to arise through government action (bribery is sometimes a means to encourage that action, but its not always intentional or that kind of specific corruption, but it is, in most libertarian explanations, always government action.)

And for this purpose, “government action” excludes protection of what the libertarian in question thinks of as proper property rights, which almost dogmatically have no adverse consequences.

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I thought Net Neutrality was a “has been” idea … Opponents have been doing a victory lap for some time. COVID especially showed how much better the US Internet expands and contracts based on demands. As far as I know, nobody has accused ISPs of throtteling Netflix. The whole idea behind CDNs is we should stop treating all Internet users as equals, and connect based on geography. Not dystopian censorship, but the sort…

Many plans do throttle. On my “unlimited data” cell phone plan, YouTube, Netflix, etc all can only really load at 480p, even in areas where speeds are fast enough for hd video.

In those areas, I can use a vpn and easily get hd video.

Although, the cell network is pretty terrible where I am, and more often than not there is no hope for streaming hd video.

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Earmarks are back. They were against the House's rules for 10 years, but the 117th Congress started allowing them again in 2021.

And the past three years have seen the return of friendliness and comity unseen for a decade /s

I'm glad we've established that the absence of earmarks isn't the problem.

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These are not the net neutrality rules I personally was looking for. They allow a base traffic speed with data caps, and then you buy a la carte for the additional speeds you want. They still allow prioritizing traffic. There is nothing neutral in these new rules.

The rules under Obama were far better, and strangely better under Trump. They have taken the privacy provisions back that were allowed previously. Please read the fine print, and call your congress person, and senator and let them know you demand true net neutrality, and your privacy needs to be protected, with emergency services only having priority above other traffic.

Please read these new rules.

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The American libertarian dream confuses me because unlike libertarians abroad (where it's a synonym with "anarchist") they stop with political authority, and seem to have no issue with corporate authority. The ISP business in the USA is very clearly an oligopoly with the top players colluding. Not sure how a rugged individual is supposed to fight back against that.

libertarians are a subgroup of classical liberalism; limited government and socially liberal, or at least the right to live as one wants within reason in a society. Anarchists, at least to Americans, have so many subgroups I don't even know where to start, it always seems completely watered down to me other than the "no central government" part.

> libertarians are a subgroup of classical liberalism

No, they aren’t. There is some overlap between “libertarians” and groups from left to right (in the modern sense) that are grounded primarily in classical liberalism, and those include the bulk of what tend to get labeled “libertarians” in America (which are mostly the center-to-right subset of the classical liberal subset of libertarians.)

But “libertarian” also encompasses anarchists, libertarian socialists, and a number of other left-libertarian ideologies that are not particularly grounded in what would usually be regarded as classical liberalism (most of them are grounded in newer philosophies which could reasonably be viewed as later developments from or reactions against – but not in a reverse direction – classical liberalism.)

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