> The first [trial], in 2021, was declared a mistrial after prosecutors and their witnesses couldn't stop talking about sex trafficking despite none of the defendants facing sex trafficking charges Thats always been my take on the backpage case, but I didnt feel comfortable talking about it because people are too emotionally invested in curbing sex trafficking We’d be better off just treating it as labor trafficking,…
Estimated no one cares about labor trafficking. They care about other people having sex.
Judge acquits Backpage co-founder Michael Lacey on most counts
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Re: Judge acquits Backpage co-founder Michael Lacey on most counts
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We have a very high bar for guilt in criminal trials. This is because we would rather have many guilty people go free than send an innocent person to prison (there are still mistakes, of course). Given this situation, it wouldn’t make sense to assume anyone who is not convicted on even one count is actually innocent.
> This is because we would rather have many guilty people go free than send an innocent person to prison No we wouldn't. Or we wouldn't utilize the plea deal in 93% of criminal cases. And we use it with little-to-no oversight. Unless what a prosecutor offers is so -utterly egregiously inappropriate- that it causes a judge to double take, they can pretty much do as they like. Which is why we use it more than 60x more…
Of course it's possible. But if someone is charged with 5 crimes and convicted of 4, why should we reimburse their legal fees? That is what GP proposed, and it would be nuts. If the prosecution struck out and went 0 for 5, that might make sense. But requiring them to run the table makes no sense.
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Overzealous prosecution.
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That phrase appears nowhere in the U.S. constitution. The first amendment guarantees the free exercise of religion (which includes voters having religious motivations for supporting otherwise permissible laws). It also precludes regulating state established churches, which were a thing at the time. (The more expansive modern interpretation favored by some was created out of thin air in the 1940s by a former KKK member: https://scholarship.law.upenn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?params... (pp. 588-589) It’s one of the shoddier Supreme Court opinions, basing its understanding of the First Amendment on the comments of Thomas Jefferson, who was in France when the amendment was drafted. Jefferson was always a Francophile and favored the revolutionary French view of religion—which does embrace a separation of church and state—but that has little to do with what the constitution says.)
All that being said, even the more expensive view of the Establishment Clause doesn’t prohibit legislators from having religious motivations for laws otherwise within their power to enact. In that context, religion is no different than any other ideology (socialism, capitalism, etc) that might motivate legislative behavior. “Sex is shameful” isn’t any more of an improper basis for legislation than “free markets are good” or “society a an obligation to support poor people.”
Re: Judge acquits Backpage co-founder Michael Lacey on most counts
#84> The first [trial], in 2021, was declared a mistrial after prosecutors and their witnesses couldn't stop talking about sex trafficking despite none of the defendants facing sex trafficking charges Thats always been my take on the backpage case, but I didnt feel comfortable talking about it because people are too emotionally invested in curbing sex trafficking We’d be better off just treating it as labor trafficking,…
Estimated no one cares about labor trafficking. They care about other people having sex.
Re: Judge acquits Backpage co-founder Michael Lacey on most counts
#85Seems like there should be an optional trial end, in addition to conviction or acquittal, for "prosecution shouldn't have brought this case", where the accused would get some kind of compensation. I don't know the details of this case, but I remember hearing about it many years ago. I can't imagine the expense and stress of such a trial, dragging on for so long, and then at the end it's just "Okay, guess you're not g…
Re: Judge acquits Backpage co-founder Michael Lacey on most counts
#86> The first [trial], in 2021, was declared a mistrial after prosecutors and their witnesses couldn't stop talking about sex trafficking despite none of the defendants facing sex trafficking charges Thats always been my take on the backpage case, but I didnt feel comfortable talking about it because people are too emotionally invested in curbing sex trafficking We’d be better off just treating it as labor trafficking,…
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rape investigations address rape
Re: Judge acquits Backpage co-founder Michael Lacey on most counts
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No need to make it optional. If the state can't convict on all counts, you should get full compensation for all expenses, including your legal bills, any time spent in prison, lost income, etc. In a case like this it would be millions of dollars, maybe tens of millions. Of course, this case probably wouldn't have happened in the first place if that was the way prosecutions worked... Most criminal cases are open-and-s…
Can you imagine the public angst around the OJ trial if THAT was what happened?
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Because we know that trying to destroy Backpage was the personal crusade of Cindy McCain and it became very personal. This has long been written about.
Any links? John bang a Backpage ho, or why the hate?
https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/michael-lacey-jim-larki...
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Overzealous prosecution.
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> Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents. Omit internet tropes.