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FCC votes to restore net neutrality rules

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Re: FCC votes to restore net neutrality rules

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Makes sense to me. ISPs acting like a utility service should not offer special deals to some companies in a way that harms competition. A social media site enforcing their terms of service appears entirely different.

If ISP's are the utility pipes, platforms are the water and control what flows through them. The whole point of NN is to stop ISPs from "playing favorites" since they hold too much power over what we can access. But if you ignore the fact that a few big tech companies (which hold a MUCH bigger market share compared to comcast/other big ISPs) basically decide what gets seen and what gets hidden, it's the exact same pr…

You can learn the difference by looking at what happened when Musk bought Twitter. Tons of people moved to other services like Threads, BlueSky, or Mastodon because all it takes is typing a different name into your browser.

When Comcast decided to double-charge Netflix, in contrast, what happened? Most people just had to put up with it because they only had one option for broadband or a contract. There’s no fast way to run new fiber or cable, so if your options are two companies with a history of network neutrality violations the best you can do is switch plans to whoever is currently not misusing their position.

Re: FCC votes to restore net neutrality rules

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I have to disagree that the Republicans do not have a plan. They have a very clear and public plan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025 Yes, they spend a lot of energy on obstructing the government from functioning, and creating a naked kleptocracy to use the government to funnel money into their own pockets. But they are also moving openly towards a fascist dictatorship with very specific ideas about how soci…

> But they are also moving openly towards a fascist dictatorship Democrats have been calling on Biden to increase his power through just writing Executive Orders to act on their platform, and bypass all other branches of government...but THAT's not dictatorship?

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Re: FCC votes to restore net neutrality rules

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The quote "markets can stay irrational for longer than you can stay solvent" comes to mind. Governments can stay irrational longer than you can stay vigilant. It's frustrating that a decision can be made at great effort in support of net neutrality, only for a new bill to easily be introduced that undermines it yet again. I guess that's a feature of democracy, not a bug. But I can imagine these battles gets harder an…

IMO this is why communities should do everything they can to build their own infrastructure independent of these massive institutions that can't possibly represent their needs - some being comcast, others being the USA federal government.

I find the concept of "the People's internet" fascinating https://urbanomnibus.net/2019/10/building-the-peoples-intern... not to mention distributed networks like this are more rugged in the face of disaster.

Re: FCC votes to restore net neutrality rules

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I watched your video -- it's media personalities babbling. You should probably inform yourself about the coup, the speech wasn't it. Here is some actual info to start: The J6 commission report: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/GPO-J6-REPORT/pdf/GPO-J6... The Federal indictments: https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2023/08/trump-i... The Georgia indictments: https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/202…

> I watched your video -- it's media personalities babbling. Yup, but maybe it and related media stuff is responsible for much of the anti-Trump opinions there are. I thought the collection was outrageous, insulting, and dirty politics but settled on it being entertaining. > rape A NY jury found Trump guilty of WHAT with his fingers? If Trump entered Carroll's dressing room, she was supposed to scream loudly enough t…

> A NY jury found Trump guilty of WHAT with his fingers?

Rape. I linked to the court's opinion stating this. What the judge makes clear is that "rape" as a matter of law in NY is with a penis only. That Trump raped was with his fingers does not make his rape any less rape.

  The jury’s unanimous verdict in Carroll II was almost entirely in favor of Ms. Carroll. The only point on which Ms. Carroll did not prevail was whether she had proved that Mr. Trump had “raped” her within the narrow, technical meaning of a particular section of the New York Penal Law – a section that provides that the label “rape” as used in criminal prosecutions in New
York applies only to vaginal penetration by a penis. Forcible, unconsented-to penetration of the vagina or of other bodily orifices by fingers, other body parts, or other articles or materials is not called “rape” under the New York Penal Law. It instead is labeled “sexual abuse.”

Do I need to make this more clear? Putting a part of your body into another person's body without their consent is rape. A court found Trump did that, and now people don't want him to be president for that among other reasons. Not hard to understand.

> maybe Trump was guilty of the bad judgment

No. The jury found he's guilty of rape, not bad judgment. Trump is a rapist.

> Seems to have to do with Kelli Ward and nothing directly with Trump

Trump is an unindicted co-conspirator in the indictment, so it relates directly to him. The acts under indictment are the various frauds the defendants underwent in service of Trump's coup plot. They are also Trump campaign surrogates. This is another reason people don't like Trump -- he surrounds himself with people willing to commit crimes, and asks people to commit crimes for him.

> I would trust any homeless person

You don't have to Trust the legal system, you have to trust Georgia's Republican SoS and Republican Governor, who felt so pressured by Trump to overturn the election that they started recording and leaking calls with him doing exactly that. Another reason people don't like him.

> he didn't even have an opportunity to do anything wrong. (B) The J6 committee looked like a kangaroo court, not at all objective, just to sow doubt about Trump.

See, this is how I know you didn't read any of the information I linked to nor did you watch the hearings. Because if your had you would know the speech was not the coup. That you keep trying to deflect to it shows me you didn't even consider the vast array of evidence laid out by the committee. They show the effort that went on months beforehand which culminated in the J6 insurrection was the coup attempt.

> Besides, what I saw of J6 was...

This has been litigated in court for years. The opportunity to petition was prior to December 14, the date states certify their elections. Trump, appropriately, brought 60+ challenges in court and lost all but 1 due to lack of evidence. Since then, he has not brought any proof of fraud. He had none at the time, and after plenty of forensic audits in the intervening years, fraud at the alleged scale has not been found in any of the disputed states.

So it was all a lie at the time, and we know that now. By Dec 14, since Trump did not have that evidence, he should have dropped his challenge.

> As I saw the 2020 election, in some of the "swing states" (a) the local Democrats had a long standing, non-trivial, and effective machine to create votes

This is not what happened at all. What really happened was that many states had affected CVOID emergency measures to allow people to vote by mail who wouldn't usually have permission to. In my state, PA, it was Republicans who passed a measure allowing no excuse ballot access in 2019.

But either way, state governments have not in any way declined to exercise their authorities to investigate the situation. All elections have been audited several times by now with no anomalies on the scale alleged detected. Nevada results were even opened up to a third party, the Cyber Ninjas, who were a right wing group intent on proving that some ballots came from China by examining the paper they were printed on. They found nothing. Actually what they found through their audit was Biden had more votes on their recount.

Anyway, it seems you have a very cursory and surface-level understanding of these matters and of US politics generally. I linked you those sources so that you would read them, in the hope that you would become more informed. Since you can't discuss these topics past your casual observations, I would suggest just read some actual primary sources before instead of spending hundreds of words replying to me with confident ignorance.

Re: FCC votes to restore net neutrality rules

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> keeping the government away from internet is a good thing See, I would have agreed more with this if most of our internet infrastructures were not controlled by three megacorps with more power than many small to medium sized economies in the world. As it stands, the only valid option is to fight fire with fire.

And what has happened after the Trump FCC un-wound the previous net neutrality rules? Did the internet go to hell?

No, likely in anticipation of the rules being changed back.

Better question for you. Why did ISPs attempt to fake support for repealing Net Neutrality [0][1], as well as spend money lobbying Congress? You'll note in that article that there were also fake comments in support of Net Neutrality, apparently mostly generated by one individual, but many, many fake comments against it from ISPs that even used real people's identities [2].

These aren't the actions a company takes if they don't have incentive.

[0] https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/2021/attorney-general-james-...

[1] https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2017/11/29/public-comme...

[2] https://mashable.com/article/fake-net-neutrality-comment-fcc

Re: FCC votes to restore net neutrality rules

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ah yes, the good old binary worldview. Such a delightfully simple algorithm. def decide_position(position) case position.party do when GOOD_PARTY cheer() return true when BAD_PARTY boo() return false else shutdown() raise InvalidPartyError.new "Warning: Logically impossible situation detected. There are only two parties, and one is good and the other is bad. System shutdown initiated to avoid potential memory corrupt…

I have some thoughts on this code:

1. Why is decide_position returning a boolean? The function signature, even without types, doesn't really indicate that it should return a true / false value. Perhaps a better name would be "is_position_good"?

2. Why would the memory get corrupted? Most operating systems should be able to handle such a case.

3. Why do we shut down the entire application? Surely there's a better method rather than killing the entire application due to a single boolean check.

Re: FCC votes to restore net neutrality rules

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I'm fully in support of net neutrality, but I'm somewhat surprised they're restoring it, as I have not really heard a peep about it since it was repealed in the first place. From my perspective, nothing about the internet changed since then (my experience did not upgrade or downgrade). People stopped talking about it, there weren't major protests, news about it even largely disappeared from the front page of HN (!).…

> it since it was repealed in the first place. From my perspective, nothing about the internet changed since then

I got downvoted heavily years ago on HN for predicting this when it was making the rounds

There is almost no evidence of a tiered model either working or being legitimately attempted, even globally in places without these rules. The only evidence I was ever given was some tiny Portugese mobile network entirely serving the lowest end of the market, and even that barely made a dent in the local market.

I want a free internet as much as anyone but people like to fear monger scenarios they invent in their heads, and pointing at vaguely defined wealthy people conspiring to do so behind the scenes, even when theres little evidence it was ever a plausible market nor technically coherent scenario.

But I guess people fear that sort of chaos where every detail isn't in a neat box clearly defined by the government, even if it means finite regulatory time/resources gets redirected from pre-existing tangible issues like privacy and spam.

Re: FCC votes to restore net neutrality rules

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What changed for me is that my home internet provider (Comcast) implemented an overly-burdensome impossible data cap that I can only get rid of if I agree to use their router with deep packet inspection, ad injection, and more.

How does it work, because there is no way to inject anything to HTTPS connections?

ISPs can monitor what you're browsing through DNS requests and SNI host headers and sell that data to advertisers who then inject personalized ads into ad supported websites.

Re: FCC votes to restore net neutrality rules

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I'm fully in support of net neutrality, but I'm somewhat surprised they're restoring it, as I have not really heard a peep about it since it was repealed in the first place. From my perspective, nothing about the internet changed since then (my experience did not upgrade or downgrade). People stopped talking about it, there weren't major protests, news about it even largely disappeared from the front page of HN (!).…

>So, I would be beyond shocked if this was an election year issue of substance. Because it isn't an election year issue. This has been in the works since at least 2022. https://www.cnet.com/home/internet/net-neutrality-will-make-... The rule making process takes time! >From my perspective, nothing about the internet changed since then (my experience did not upgrade or downgrade). People stopped talking about it, ther…

> I have no doubt if they could get away with it they would haha. Many providers did roll out zero rating programs.

This isn't a hypothetical, this is the case now and it's not happened. The reason is because of public backlash which is a market effect.

Re: FCC votes to restore net neutrality rules

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Don’t confuse talking points with the underlying reality. Trump supporters existed when inflation was basically non existent. His support is really independent of the economic situation. It’s going to be interesting to see what happens in this time. He barely beat one of the least popular candidates in decades and then got crushed the next election cycle. Opposition candidates tend to do well when the economy is doin…

The camps rhetoric is new. If anything that's further evidence that it's caused by the times rather than the personalities.

When support stays constant despite changing rhetoric it’s not about the rhetoric.
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