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FCC votes to restore net neutrality rules

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Re: FCC votes to restore net neutrality rules

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Post by hobs »

cogman10 wrote: post #28
MrZongle2 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly this. Regardless of the winners of said election, expect a return to business as usual afterward.

Eh... I wouldn't say so much. I'd expect that if Biden gets a second term, then after the election you can basically expect little to no action for the next 3 years. Business as usual... ish. Major changes will likely happen before the next election just to try and keep a democrat in office. The Trump second term will likely immediately start with rolling back things like Net Neutrality. Biden's admin likely wouldn't…

It's true that he cares about himself first, but he only stumps for republicans (as long as they support him) and he packed the federal and supreme court with republicans (and they've won important cases about redistricting rules and other things that keep republicans in power).

So saying he doesn't care about keeping republicans in office makes no sense as he's probably cemented them in office in places they have no business being elected for another 30 years.

Re: FCC votes to restore net neutrality rules

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Post by mrguyorama »

bearjaws wrote: post #26
bgentry wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's partly what happens when such important rules are determined by who is appointed at an executive agency, rather than requiring an act of Congress. The former can be trivially gamed by the party in power after each election, whereas getting Congress to take action on something can be difficult and requires you to first get them motivated to do so at a given moment.

I'd flip it and say its what happens when Congress has been dysfunctional for over a decade. It's not even possible to get a house bill with net neutrality passed without it included 99 other things that will inevitably get the bill punted on forever. Congress could have drafted this anytime if they had seen fit, but they are "too busy" fighting ideology wars.

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Re: FCC votes to restore net neutrality rules

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Post by fallingknife »

babypuncher wrote: post #18
zer00eyz wrote: post #3

FCC rules... The other day it was FTC and banning non competes, there's also talk right now on the home page regarding KYC and an executive order. I would love for us to be able to get back to making laws in the US. Executive orders and agency rulings are a bad way to run a "democratic republic"

Our legislative branch abdicated its power when they stopped bothering to pass laws that people actually want. If the FTC and FCC weren't doing either of these things, they simply wouldn't happen. As soon as a Net Neutrality or non-compete clause ban bill makes it to the senate floor, Republicans will just filibuster it, even though public opinion is overwhelmingly in support of both these measures.

While I support both of those things, I don't see any problem requiring the legislature to actually legislate to make them happen. If the public felt strongly about these issues they would just remove their representatives next election.

Just because I happen to agree with the actions of the agency in this case is not enough to justify handing legislative power over to bureaucratic agencies that do not have any of the checks and balances that are supposed to exist in our system.

Re: FCC votes to restore net neutrality rules

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Post by wredue »

SeanAnderson wrote: post #13

I'm happy this reversal occurred, but I am exhausted by the continuous flip-flopping of legislation depending on which party is in charge. Feels like we're stagnating as a nation by going in a circle rather than finding commonality to go forward. Maybe it's always been this way though and I'm just getting old enough to be bothered by it?

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Re: FCC votes to restore net neutrality rules

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Post by notatoad »

karaterobot wrote: post #29

I'm fully in support of net neutrality, but I'm somewhat surprised they're restoring it, as I have not really heard a peep about it since it was repealed in the first place. From my perspective, nothing about the internet changed since then (my experience did not upgrade or downgrade). People stopped talking about it, there weren't major protests, news about it even largely disappeared from the front page of HN (!).…

>What, then, is the impetus for restoring the net neutrality rules, given there is always some political cost to any action like this?

there's usually some principled people in the government, and every now an then when an issue is obscure enough they can manage to get something done without the other side caring too much.

what's the impetus for blocking this?

Re: FCC votes to restore net neutrality rules

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Post by wtallis »

theoperagoer wrote: post #38

ISPs should be allowed to throttle traffic for services. Otherwise, the result is going to be increased costs for all end-users.

I think you need to provide a lot more explanation and clarification of what you mean; your comment as written sounds like nothing more than a hollow talking point. What kind of throttling in what situations would be prohibited by these regulations and how would that cause increased costs?

Re: FCC votes to restore net neutrality rules

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Post by [deleted] »

karaterobot wrote: post #29

I'm fully in support of net neutrality, but I'm somewhat surprised they're restoring it, as I have not really heard a peep about it since it was repealed in the first place. From my perspective, nothing about the internet changed since then (my experience did not upgrade or downgrade). People stopped talking about it, there weren't major protests, news about it even largely disappeared from the front page of HN (!).…

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Re: FCC votes to restore net neutrality rules

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Post by andygeorge »

karaterobot wrote: post #29

I'm fully in support of net neutrality, but I'm somewhat surprised they're restoring it, as I have not really heard a peep about it since it was repealed in the first place. From my perspective, nothing about the internet changed since then (my experience did not upgrade or downgrade). People stopped talking about it, there weren't major protests, news about it even largely disappeared from the front page of HN (!).…

> lack of net neutrality caused issues

given it's all still just regional ISP monopolies, there is decided _not_ a lack of issues

Re: FCC votes to restore net neutrality rules

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Post by unreal37 »

zer00eyz wrote: post #3

FCC rules... The other day it was FTC and banning non competes, there's also talk right now on the home page regarding KYC and an executive order. I would love for us to be able to get back to making laws in the US. Executive orders and agency rulings are a bad way to run a "democratic republic"

The congress doesn't seem to be able to pass anything itself without it being tied to an increase in the military budget...
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