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We have 4 days to contest KYC being required by internet services

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Re: We have 4 days to contest KYC being required by internet services

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Freedom has been on a steady decline since the establishment of the Federal Reserve in 1913 when established banking dynasties seized control over the currency of the country. The symbolic destruction of the constitution occurred on 9/11/2001 when the modern police state went into full force.

We established the Fed (and later, the FDIC) because people were sick and tired of bankers controlling monetary policy and wiping out their life savings. How the Fed turned into the ancap Boogeyman is the real destructive force in our society.

"We" didn't establish anything. An elite few met at The Meeting at Jekyll Island to discuss the matter and the public had zero say in it. Just like we continue to have no say in government today. Bills are rammed through congress and the president's desk and they just rubber stamp everything put out by the deep state or they risk getting CP'd by the intelligence apparatus. The main group of opposition to the Fed was 9/11'd in the sinking of the "unsinkable" Titanic because internal defenses against sinking were deliberately sabotaged just like the power went out for "maintenance" in the Twin Towers for 24 hours before 9/11 when anybody was allowed in to go anywhere inside whereas the building security was tightly controlled since the day it opened without fail up to that point.

Re: We have 4 days to contest KYC being required by internet services

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post #247

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That is outlined in §7.302 The TL;DR is that the must collect name, address, email, phone number, IP address, and payment information and use that information for "verifying the identity of each foreign customer to the extent it enables the U.S. IaaS provider or foreign reseller of U.S. IaaS products to form a reasonable belief that it knows the true identity of each customer." AWS already has all of this information…

How does an email correspond to your location? My email goes through Switzerland and I have a domain address that ends in ".de" am I a US resident, German, or Swiss?

It doesn't correspond to location any more than "name" does. But it is useful, in conjunction with other things, for determining identity, which is what those requirements are about.

Re: We have 4 days to contest KYC being required by internet services

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Skimming through the article, it seems like the extent of this is to require IAAS (Infrastructure) providers to verify the identity of those who are using their services to train AI. It's an attempt to stymie sanctioned or malicious actors, from training AI and especially from hopping between services or using aliases to continue training on their model. It seems a bit benign and I don't understand the parallels othe…

It's really not benign as far as I can see. There is an implication that its purpose is to allow providers to start writing reports on foreign users training LLMs (which, incidentally, I'm not condoning either), but in the process it requires every American IaaS has to start implementing KYC folly. No one wants to send in selfies and their passport just to start a Digital Ocean droplet.

I'm curious if the spammers will find a way around this. I would actually like to be ID'd by a provider if that also meant they had no un-ID'd customers. I'd expect their IP range would start to get a pretty good reputation.

Re: We have 4 days to contest KYC being required by internet services

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Freedom has been on a steady decline since the establishment of the Federal Reserve in 1913 when established banking dynasties seized control over the currency of the country. The symbolic destruction of the constitution occurred on 9/11/2001 when the modern police state went into full force.

We established the Fed (and later, the FDIC) because people were sick and tired of bankers controlling monetary policy and wiping out their life savings. How the Fed turned into the ancap Boogeyman is the real destructive force in our society.

And not long after we got the great depression, and more recently the destruction of the housing market by pinning interest rates near zero bidding property into infinity and then jacking rates up to disenfranchise the youth while everyone else sits on negative real rates mortgages for 30 years that they'll only give up for a kings ransom.

The only thing worse than a bunch private bankers controlling monetary policy, is a central bank controlling monetary policy.

Re: We have 4 days to contest KYC being required by internet services

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You elect a executive branch to protect you. Sometimes that includes executive orders. And if these survive the check and balances, maybe it is for the greater good. If you do not want that, the country has to work on a functional Parlament and switch away from a presidential system.

This level of lack of understanding the basics of our system of government is why we used to have civics classes. If someone is using infomercial level logic/details/understanding to get you riled up, step one is to step back and get a better understanding, not to grab a pitchfork and get bitter. An post highlighting that the government is soliciting comments shows we don't actually have a king that can do whatever t…

I am not a US resident. I take here a pragmatic perspective. Laws, the level of bureaucracy etc is a choice we do in our societies.

> Remember the standard is that the Federal government's actions can not be arbitrary and capricious.

That assumes that everything is regulated by law (unrealistic) and that you have a working parlament (currently not the case in the US). Imagine Russia is invading Canada. Would you prefer a US president with the power of declaring war or the parlament starting to debate over it. A war has 100x more consequence than this KYC thingy here.

Re: We have 4 days to contest KYC being required by internet services

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This does not appear to affect domestic customers.

How would they know a customer is domestic or foreign without some level of identification on everyone?

Bingo. They'll have to KYC everyone to avoid liability of missing a faking foreigner.

Re: We have 4 days to contest KYC being required by internet services

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Ansible comes to mind. Used it to orchestrate hundreds of servers with migrations. Could also simply set up proxmox services beforehand if you're truly motivated, then just replicate the server to another instance.

And all networking configuration and everything else is transferred with close to zero effort?

You could roll your own SDN with the likes of wireguard.

Re: We have 4 days to contest KYC being required by internet services

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Skimming the regulations, this does not seem right. All IAAS providers (which is everyone who allows customers to run custom code, so it includes any web host like Dreamhost) to verify the identity of foreigners who open an account. This would seemingly entail the service provider needing to verify everyone's identity, in order to figure out who is a foreigner and who is not. In other words, if you want to run your o…

Aren't you basically revealing yourself anyway because you need to pay them?

Some hosts accept alternate payment systems, like gift cards or cryptocurrency. You can also have someone else pay for it with a credit card or bank transfer without giving your name, which can be quite important in some cases. The new rules would presumably make that a crime.
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