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Re: US moves to force ByteDance to sell TikTok

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Post by flandish » Wed, Apr 24, 2024, 4:11 PM UTC

nozzlegear wrote: post #69

flandish wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your requirement of my definition not being anti-capitalist is tough because it is capitalist to endure some people are not free. Work conditions to for-profit prisons with a “war on drugs” building the prison pop are examples. It is very telling that concern over freedom shows first in your reply as “yeah but capitalism.”

For what it's worth, I agree about for-profit prisons. Working against them is a personal pet project of mine, so I was happy to see Biden terminate federal contracts with for-profit prisons in his first month as President [1]. There's still plenty of them out there, but progress is progress. > It is very telling that concern over freedom shows first in your reply as “yeah but capitalism.” No, I just had a look at yo…

Fair points. I’m not on reddit but understand your reticence. I’m an actual community helping (fire/first responding mostly) leftist trying my best.

But yeah - I do tend to blame capital on herec(hn) lots because, I’ll be honest, hn is a capitalist mob spawner of sorts. :)

Re: US moves to force ByteDance to sell TikTok

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Post by Marsymars » Wed, Apr 24, 2024, 4:25 PM UTC

squigz wrote: post #13

How would this actually work? How would the US force a Chinese company to sell? What if they didn't?

The easy way would be to just have Google and Apple remove the app for new downloads for US users. With normal device replacement cycles, the friction of acquiring apps from non-App Store sources, and the friction of using an Apple/Google account that isn't from your primary country, this would bring usage to effectively zero within a few years.

No need to bother with actual technical "blocking" measures.

Re: US moves to force ByteDance to sell TikTok

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Post by klthfknpdos » Wed, Apr 24, 2024, 11:26 PM UTC

qingcharles wrote: post #4

ByteDance aren't going to give up the juicy algorithm in the deal though, apparently. It's like buying KFC without the secret recipe. I love TikTok. After HN, it's the place where I get most of my tech news.

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Re: US moves to force ByteDance to sell TikTok

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Post by quonn » Thu, Apr 25, 2024, 12:32 PM UTC

dudisubekti wrote: post #60

quonn wrote: post #28

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They can keep the company, just not in the US. Furthermore it really depends on the price. If I make an annual profit x that is expected to grow to y eventually, then I would certainly sell you that company for 100 * y. Maybe even 10 * y.

Wait so if Bytedance divested… there can be two Tiktoks? Tiktok US and Tiktok world?

That‘s my understanding.

Re: US moves to force ByteDance to sell TikTok

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Post by whearyou » Thu, Apr 25, 2024, 5:38 PM UTC

flandish wrote: post #47

whearyou wrote: post #41

This is getting the most extreme social mind control tool mankind has ever created out of the hands of a government that did Tianemen Square and is doing the Uygers right now. A government who controls all under its purview with an iron fist, and shares absolutely zero common interests with any young person in the west. The resistance to it on this forum, of all places, is kind of incredible.

Into the hands of another gov doing (funding) genocide and oppression just the same. This is all a case of “Corp can’t compete? Lobby to ban.” This is bog standard capitalism.

Just looking at numbers of the effected populations - Ughyers vs (I assume you mean) Palestinians - that's absolute disinformation hogwash.

For bonus points, disinformation hogwash that helps one of the most un-progressive governments in the world (China) extend it's power.

Re: US moves to force ByteDance to sell TikTok

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Post by r0ckarong » Fri, Apr 26, 2024, 2:48 AM UTC

nozzlegear wrote: post #42

r0ckarong wrote: post #8

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Americans also constantly talk about freedom and then you look at their history ...

Can you explain?

The history of the United States is not only steeped in oppression on home soil but also consists of a staggering amount of meddling in the sovereignty of other countries. For a nation that goes on and on about freedom, they sure know very little about leaving people to their own devices.

Re: US moves to force ByteDance to sell TikTok

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Post by nozzlegear » Fri, Apr 26, 2024, 2:47 PM UTC

r0ckarong wrote: post #76

nozzlegear wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you explain?

The history of the United States is not only steeped in oppression on home soil but also consists of a staggering amount of meddling in the sovereignty of other countries. For a nation that goes on and on about freedom, they sure know very little about leaving people to their own devices.

When Americans talk about freedom, they are almost exclusively talking about the freedoms granted to American citizens by the Bill of Rights and the Constitution. They are not talking about the sovereignty of other nations, that doesn't factor in at all. Frankly, I think you're doing some robust mental gymnastics by equating those freedoms with a freedom from the long arm of Pax Americana.

> The history of the United States is not only steeped in oppression

The history of the entire world is steeped in oppression.