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I Lost Faith in Kagi

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Re: I Lost Faith in Kagi

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Post by IIsi50MHz »

akudha wrote: post #617
ksec wrote: post #616

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am a little lost here. So correct me. The Founder of the company decided to pour in his own money worth of millions ( assuming that is true ) into the company. He bootstrapped it. They were on track to becoming profitable. And now, as the replies shows they are now profitable. He decided to spend some money to buy everyone a t-shirt as a gift. And all I see is not thank you but anger and frustrations. Pointing to w…

Kagi is playing against the likes of Google and Microsoft, who have infinite resources. Search is not a fight one can win casually. Every dollar, minute that is wasted on dumb stuff like t-shirts is an opportunity wasted on improving their core product. Read the article, the author clearly lays out how Kagi is scattering their attention, money and energy on things that do not matter one bit. He decided to spend some…

I wonder if the t-shirts could be considered 'marketing'?

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Post by lannisterstark »

I really, really wish authors used a bit more margin/padding on their websites. "Simple" doesn't have to mean unreadable. A small black text on white background stretching across a full 27" 1440p monitor is pretty brutal to read.

Re: I Lost Faith in Kagi

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Post by ravenstine »

chipsrafferty wrote: post #541
ravenstine wrote: post #285

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I agree, but not necessarily that AI will make results better. Search engines already rely heavily on heuristics, and I really doubt that LLMs or vector databases are going to improve results in any combination. At best, they will overfit results to the lowest common denominator. What I want is a search engine that supports full-text queries with exact matches. This quite literally no longer exists anywhere, and mayb…

Agreed, I want that + the page ranking that Kagi has, and literally don't care about any other features.

Yeah, the page ranking is great. Same with lenses. Though I wish they would improve the lenses. They're pretty basic.

Re: I Lost Faith in Kagi

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Re: I Lost Faith in Kagi

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Post by averageRoyalty »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #450
theturtletalks wrote: post #398

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I get OP's take, but freediver is essentially saying that Orion and their other ventures are a part of the vision. To OP and others, it may seem like a side-mission or a waste of resources, but I trust the guy bootstrapping the company with his own money. Hell, Orion is the first Webkit browser where FireFox and Chrome plug-ins work on iOS. If may seem like a misstep, but I see it as calculated. If Kagi search hopes…

It's a stretch to justify paying for search, but I do it. To find out I actually pay for a bunch of stuff I don't care about when search is still a work in progress, naw bro, I'm good. I don't go to a restaurant that has a partial menu to fund a race team. Cool that was your reason for opening the place, you sunk a ton of money into something you think it super cool, but I'm actually here for the food and ignored you…

> It's a stretch to justify paying for search, but I do it.

I think therein lies the problem for many people. If you're already at a stretch to justify paying for search, any deviation from your assumption of the correct decisions from the company will be magnified.

Re: I Lost Faith in Kagi

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Post by averageRoyalty »

amandasystems wrote: post #614
lupire wrote: post #593

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It really does call into question everything in the origt blog post. The emails from the CEO are such a breath of fresh air. Even the typos are endearing. It reads like an immediate, frank, unfiltered reaction, giving an honest expression of his values. and he didn't lose his cool while being repeatedly taunted by the blog author who only wanted a one-way attack amd the last word without listening to a rebuttal.

I think you can read that thread in multiple ways depending on your previous experience. As a woman who’s had bad experiences with men before, this kind of “no you owe me your time” behaviour usually triggers a “get away from this guy; fast” kind of response. This doesn’t mean Kagi is necessarily bad or that this was what Vlad intended, but it does for sure reduce my faith in the project. Not enough to stop paying fo…

That's fair I guess. That's not meant flippantly, but I don't have that experience so I can only guess. However isn't it best to assume good faith in a non threatening situation?

If this is a regular "trigger point" in real life, I can understand that as a knee jerk, but there's no danger or need for immediate reaction via email, so why judge through that lens once you've identified you're doing so?

Re: I Lost Faith in Kagi

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Post by [deleted] »

Zuiii wrote: post #560
garciansmith wrote: post #379

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I've been curious about Kagi but the idea of running all my searches through one company while logged in worries me. Yes, I realize most people do that with Google and could care less, but I do. For me to try Kagi I'd need a much firmer commitment to user privacy, not the wishy-washy hand-waving portrayed here.

This is my primary concern with Kagi. The founder posted comments on hn assuring that they take privacy seriously, and I believe him, but most commercial companies (including the big ones like Microsoft) also claimed to take privacy seriously. Look at what they are doing right now: Blatant violations and even more blatant lies. Search is a deeply personal activity. It can reveal far more information about the user th…

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Re: I Lost Faith in Kagi

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Post by zhdi »

ksec wrote: post #616
akudha wrote: post #528

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This is a very weird answer. People who are paying for your service want you to succeed, they want an alternative to Google search. Many of them (like the article above) explicitly say they don't want a t-shirt, they just want a better search product from you. After all this very valid, very sensible feedback, you're commenting here saying "you need to be thinking out of the box" and trying to justify all the time, m…

I am a little lost here. So correct me. The Founder of the company decided to pour in his own money worth of millions ( assuming that is true ) into the company. He bootstrapped it. They were on track to becoming profitable. And now, as the replies shows they are now profitable. He decided to spend some money to buy everyone a t-shirt as a gift. And all I see is not thank you but anger and frustrations. Pointing to w…

cause for their guys, search results and things related to search experience is basically everything, some stupid gift like a t-shirts just let people support them think they spend money at somewhere they just dont give a damn, despite kagi is get better now, but this behavior just bother us computer hacker :)

Re: I Lost Faith in Kagi

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Post by eipi10_hn »

eviks wrote: post #584
eipi10_hn wrote: post #500

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On iOS it is not simple to switch to other search engines on Safari that's not in their list: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38937619 The thing is they can't control the stability of alternative methods on Safari. It's up to Apple.

But it is simple of Firefox on iOS, so if that's all you need there are existing browser alternatives

It's actually another hoop for users:

- Safari + Kagi: you just need a default browser and a non-default search

- Orion + Kagi: you just need a non-default browser and a default search

- Firefox + Kagi: you need a non-default browser and a non-default search

It might not look that much difference but in terms of thousands users, any reduction for users' steps to do, it is better.

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