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Windows 11 now comes with its own adware
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Re: Windows 11 now comes with its own adware
#22Thankfully I've moved away from Windows completely. Unfortunately I still need to use it at work and using it for development is a pain compared to Linux. Today's Linux is not the same clunky mess it was 15 or even 10 years ago. If you don't run any strange hardware or don't require Windows-only applications (that Wine/Proton don't handle) then the experience is great.
I moved to PopOS about a year ago; I've tried a few times to move to Linux and until this most recent jump I've had to move back. It's gotten a lot better than it used to be, although I have to acknowledge that it's still got some rough edges. In a vacuum I'd probably go back to Windows, but Microsoft has been actively making the Windows experience worse as well to the point that I'll deal with the occasional Linux hiccups.
(Well, that, and I'm actually having FUN with my computer again...)
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#23That’s why I migrated my gaming machine to Pop_OS!
Is it actually any good for gaming?
I've been playing Baldurs Gate, and Guidwars 2 without issue. I originally started out on endeavorOS which lasted a while, but eventually needed the stability of PopOS since I have dev work on the same machine.
Pop has a version that ships with Nvidia proprietary drivers which made things easier (RTX 4080). Only thing missing for me is HDR support. I'm very happy to give that up to avoid Windows.
Re: Windows 11 now comes with its own adware
#24Thankfully I've moved away from Windows completely. Unfortunately I still need to use it at work and using it for development is a pain compared to Linux. Today's Linux is not the same clunky mess it was 15 or even 10 years ago. If you don't run any strange hardware or don't require Windows-only applications (that Wine/Proton don't handle) then the experience is great.
Mostly agreed. Though WSL+Docker do make Windows more tolerable for work chores.
It was literally an ad in the start menu search that got me to start using Linux full time. (Insiders a couple years ago).
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#25Wow, they finally did it. I remember “third party ads in the Start menu” was brought up inside MSFT back in the early 2000s, in a mostly joking fashion. I guess it was inevitable.
There were actual internet ads in Insiders builds a couple years ago... that is when I switched.
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#26I'm fine with paid software licenses, but ads and telemetry embedded in a product with a payed license is a hard pass from me.
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#27Thankfully I've moved away from Windows completely. Unfortunately I still need to use it at work and using it for development is a pain compared to Linux. Today's Linux is not the same clunky mess it was 15 or even 10 years ago. If you don't run any strange hardware or don't require Windows-only applications (that Wine/Proton don't handle) then the experience is great.
The main blocker for me is still the Nvidia drivers, with Xorg itself having deal-breaker limitations that are never going to get fixed and Wayland on NV still not being quite there yet. Yeah it would be smoother sailing with an AMD card but that's a pretty big caveat when Nvidia has 78% of the market per the Steam survey.
I've been running a RTX 3060 on Debian 12 under Gnome+Wayland for quite some time now (Nearly a year I think!). It's stable enough that I rarely notice anything to complain about. Sleep and resume works, though resume is quite slow. I can play just about any game on Steam including most Windows-only titles, not to mention GPU Compute workloads. It hasn't always been smooth sailing on Linux but I haven't experienced any significant problems with this platform:
- Asus Motherboard - Intel 13700k (not significantly overclocked) - 128GB DDR4 - nVidia 3060 12GB
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
The main blocker for me is still the Nvidia drivers, with Xorg itself having deal-breaker limitations that are never going to get fixed and Wayland on NV still not being quite there yet. Yeah it would be smoother sailing with an AMD card but that's a pretty big caveat when Nvidia has 78% of the market per the Steam survey.
I've been running a RTX 3060 on Debian 12 under Gnome+Wayland for quite some time now (Nearly a year I think!). It's stable enough that I rarely notice anything to complain about. Sleep and resume works, though resume is quite slow. I can play just about any game on Steam including most Windows-only titles, not to mention GPU Compute workloads. It hasn't always been smooth sailing on Linux but I haven't experienced a…
Most of the issues I've run into are related to multiple monitors, on both Xorg and Wayland. Xorg can't do mismatched refresh rates, or VRR at all with multiple monitors, or HDR at all. The last time I tried Wayland (with KDE) it ended up in a bizarre state where my mouse clicks were going to a different point on the screen than where the cursor was, which was fixed if I disabled one monitor but I couldn't figure out how to get both working at once. As a 4K monitor user I also need 150% DPI scaling to work properly and from what I gather fractional scaling is still very rough on Linux.
Hopefully one day, I'm not happy about the direction Windows is going either. But all of the above Just Works on Windows.
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#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is it actually any good for gaming?
I've been playing Baldurs Gate, and Guidwars 2 without issue. I originally started out on endeavorOS which lasted a while, but eventually needed the stability of PopOS since I have dev work on the same machine. Pop has a version that ships with Nvidia proprietary drivers which made things easier (RTX 4080). Only thing missing for me is HDR support. I'm very happy to give that up to avoid Windows.
Regarding the stability issue on a dev machine - you may be interested in playing with one of the immutable-os distros, such as SilverBlue (fedora based).
The high-level take-away is you can't break your actual OS since it's root filesystem is read-only, and you use "pet" containers (on docker, podman, whatever) to do your work in. Applications are either sandboxed via Flatpak, or installed/run inside your pet containers. If your pet container dies, you cry about it for a moment, and when you're ready you get a new one - your actual os and other containers remain unaffected.
I use distrobox[1] to create/run the pet containers.
Re: Windows 11 now comes with its own adware
#30Wow, they finally did it. I remember “third party ads in the Start menu” was brought up inside MSFT back in the early 2000s, in a mostly joking fashion. I guess it was inevitable.
There were actual internet ads in Insiders builds a couple years ago... that is when I switched.
Didn’t that accidentally get turned on for some insiders?
I seem to remember articles about that.