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Biden signs TikTok bill into law, starting clock for ByteDance to divest

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Re: Biden signs TikTok bill into law, starting clock for ByteDance to divest

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Post by throw310822 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #386
ThinkBeat wrote: post #372

I hope this will show the severity of threats countries face from social media and that things are no longer business as usual. Every European country /and/or EU/ECC as a block, as well as every other nation or block, should follow this up as soon as permitted to have all social media apps operated by a foreign country be subject to the same legislation. TikTok will have to sel to the US, Netherlands, France, Germany…

> Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, YouTube, WhatsApp, will either have to stop operating outside of the Unites States or they will need to be sold to every country they wish to operate in TikTok can sell to a French, Hungarian, Indian, Brazilian or even Iraqi person and be in compliance with this bill's terms. It doesn't require American ownership, it forbids control by a foreign adversary. If the EU and U.S.…

> it forbids control by a foreign adversary.

At least this vindicates the choice all the countries that consider the US an adversary and have blocked US social media. While the US has always characterised the block as the hallmark of illiberal regimes.

Re: Biden signs TikTok bill into law, starting clock for ByteDance to divest

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Post by mistermann »

hackerlight wrote: post #445
intellix wrote: post #64

if you've been to China, you'll know that they ban all western products: facebook, google, etc etc and replaced them with their own variants. If they want to run around free-range without any restriction with their own products then they should respond by loosening restrictions in their own country. This is an absolute no-brainer. If you want Tik Tok in the US, lower your middle finger. Am I missing something?

> If you want Tik Tok in the US, lower your middle finger. Reciprocity isn't the main reason. It's become a legitimate national security problem. We're no longer in the early 2000s where we could delude ourselves into thinking China wasn't a rival. They're clearly revisionist, with their aggressive approach to resolving border disputes and rhetoric about forceful reunification of Taiwan being on the table. They are b…

> It's become a legitimate national security problem.

What is the nature of the risk?

> You are all in for a rude awakening to wake you up from your hypnosis...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epimenides_paradox

Re: Biden signs TikTok bill into law, starting clock for ByteDance to divest

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Post by [deleted] »

atleastoptimal wrote: post #466
hackerlight wrote: post #445

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you want Tik Tok in the US, lower your middle finger. Reciprocity isn't the main reason. It's become a legitimate national security problem. We're no longer in the early 2000s where we could delude ourselves into thinking China wasn't a rival. They're clearly revisionist, with their aggressive approach to resolving border disputes and rhetoric about forceful reunification of Taiwan being on the table. They are b…

what happened in Europe in 2022?

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Re: Biden signs TikTok bill into law, starting clock for ByteDance to divest

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Post by resters »

There is absolutely no justification for the US copying CCP policies. This is an embarrassing day for the US.

Tiktok has been the only place to see videos about police brutality and one of the main places to see the movement supporting the Palestinian cause.

I feel so much shame as an American that my country did this.

Re: Biden signs TikTok bill into law, starting clock for ByteDance to divest

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Post by luyu_wu »

cowsup wrote: post #471
luyu_wu wrote: post #454

The thing that ticks me off is that there hasn't been conclusive evidence that actually justifies this ban. I'd be perfectly happy if the CIA came out with documents of how the data goes to China, but all I've seen is evidence to the contrary (e.g. servers in US, headquarters in SG etc). If I'm wrong, I'd gladly look at some linked articles of course.

There's no evidence one way or another. TikTok's servers are in the US, but, even if we audit their entire outbound connections, or get a warrant from their ISP to confirm no traffic has ever gone out to China... There's no surefire way of saying that an employee didn't just plug their laptop into the server, download data, and then ship it off to China later on. Both the US government and TikTok/ByteDance are unable…

Thanks! This actually makes a lot of sense to me. While I'm not sure I agree with the 'guilty until proven innocent', I understand more about the motivations.

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Post by luyu_wu »

dogman144 wrote: post #493
luyu_wu wrote: post #454

The thing that ticks me off is that there hasn't been conclusive evidence that actually justifies this ban. I'd be perfectly happy if the CIA came out with documents of how the data goes to China, but all I've seen is evidence to the contrary (e.g. servers in US, headquarters in SG etc). If I'm wrong, I'd gladly look at some linked articles of course.

The thing is evidence came out 4-5 years ago that CCP directed TikTok to steer engagement algorithms to further PRC foreign policy goals which tldr meant inflame US users via purposely divisive content served up via TK. You are wrong, and linked articles from US intel community have been available for years.

Thanks for linking the articles...

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Post by astrea »

ThinkBeat wrote: post #372

I hope this will show the severity of threats countries face from social media and that things are no longer business as usual. Every European country /and/or EU/ECC as a block, as well as every other nation or block, should follow this up as soon as permitted to have all social media apps operated by a foreign country be subject to the same legislation. TikTok will have to sel to the US, Netherlands, France, Germany…

Yes and while we’re at it, we should simply relinquish control of these companies to the government. Perhaps any company remotely journalistic in nature. For safety of course.

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Post by commie »

resters wrote: post #504

There is absolutely no justification for the US copying CCP policies. This is an embarrassing day for the US. Tiktok has been the only place to see videos about police brutality and one of the main places to see the movement supporting the Palestinian cause. I feel so much shame as an American that my country did this.

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Re: Biden signs TikTok bill into law, starting clock for ByteDance to divest

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Post by rvz »

A fine is much better than a ban. But you all voted for Biden to 'save TikTok' and he is banning it anyway 4 years when Trump was about to ban it himself. [0]

Congratulations, you've played yourselves back to back.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24024491

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