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Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by kennyadam »

monksy wrote: post #51
bigirondba wrote: post #23

I’m not convinced that we stop finding new music, we just become less zealous or outward about it as we get older. When I was young, I was all about talking music, having the right DJ list for roadtrips, etc, etc and now? I just hit play and don’t think too much about it. Probably because it’s harder to attend shows, less relevant to my social life, etc. I’ve also found as I’ve gotten older that I just care less abou…

The artists have made it harder. They've pushed for aggressive one sided fan behavior policies (phone less), they've increased aggressively with the prices, the quality has gone down with many established bands, pushed large shows without building a performance with the space, and they've done a ton of things that don't help their product. It feels more like greed in the business than an experience. That being said I…

I am 100% onboard with the phone bans. There's nothing worse than hundreds of phone screens glowing in your face while you're trying to enjoy a live act. I can't imagine how weird it must feel for the performer(s) too. To go from people looking at you, making eye contact, engaging with the performance, to suddenly seeing a sea of phones pointed at you, with everyone watching you indirectly via their phone screen.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by coldtea »

andrewmthomas87 wrote: post #53
ergonaught wrote: post #39

Well I'm in my 50s, and I mostly stopped finding new music when record labels, streaming, and social media destroyed the prospects for people who would otherwise make that new music for me to find. New stuff still arrives (you're not going to predict that me-at-15-loving-Megadeth will much later also love Billie Eilish or Gin Wigmore or Mirel Wagner or ...) but most "new music" is garbage by the standards set by abou…

> but most "new music" is garbage by the standards set by about 50 years of music How so? What are these standards?

Infantilized lyrics, melodies, and harmonies, for starters.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by bojan »

noashavit wrote: post #45

I think that it really depends on your relationship with music. I’m no longer in my 30s and still find new music all the time. I wonder why parents consistently listening to older music than their childless peers

From the perspective of this parent - toddlers are loud. They make so much noise, continuously, either by playing or talking or, more often, both at the same time, that when I get a moment of silence I don't want to ruin it by playing music. I just want to hear nothing for a while, or chat with my partner in peace.

Only in the last few months, with the youngest being almost 5, do I feel the urge to listen to the music again - and I have a 10 year gap to catch up with.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by reducesuffering »

coldtea wrote: post #48
noashavit wrote: post #45

I think that it really depends on your relationship with music. I’m no longer in my 30s and still find new music all the time. I wonder why parents consistently listening to older music than their childless peers

New-new music, or just new acts in the same genres that you liked in your early 20s?

Maybe I missed this in the article but I agree this is a major consideration. I find a lot of people might like "new" music but it's very much a slight riff on stuff they liked a long time ago. As a 30yo, good luck introducing anyone in the 25+ category to new albums that actually experiment into novel sounds and become the music of the current 20yo generation.

It's a little sad too because the internet unlocked so much "bedroom producer" potential from the entire world where before you had to be musically trained or get a lot more lucky. There's actually a talent explosion right now.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by chx »

coldtea wrote: post #48
noashavit wrote: post #45

I think that it really depends on your relationship with music. I’m no longer in my 30s and still find new music all the time. I wonder why parents consistently listening to older music than their childless peers

New-new music, or just new acts in the same genres that you liked in your early 20s?

This rapidly becomes an exercise in classifying music which I always felt a bit silly. Try to put God Is an Astronaut in a genre, I wish you good fortune in the wars to come. https://youtu.be/ZmWYCIZhBgk at one time Wikipedia had them as "Post-rock, electronica, ambient, Space rock" then just gave up and labelled them as post-rock.

My brother and I, less than two years apart in age, when we were 18 years old listened to the same music, power metal, mostly. By now, some three decades later he have veered off in a direction of high BPM while I am deep in folk metal land sometimes leaving metal behind. Where does folk metal end and where does (neo)folk rock start? I do not know and I couldn't care less if I tried. I simply enjoy https://youtu.be/mQWmryiIcxY a lot without trying to label it.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by TheTon »

From the article:

“But 'American Idiot' wasn't a true act of revolution. In fact, the album was produced and promoted by a multinational conglomerate with the intent of packaging seemingly transgressive pop-punk acts for my exact demographic.”

This is sort of beside the point of the article, but I was just reading an interview[1] with Billie Joe Armstrong about this album and it doesn’t sound like their process was anywhere as cynical as this take.

On another note, I find Elton John’s Rocket Hour on Apple Music to be refreshing in terms of how earnestly he approaches new music and new artists. If you haven’t heard it, it’s nothing like what you might expect based on the title. It’s not “Elton plays songs from his back catalog and talks about them,” but rather “Elton plays new songs you haven’t heard by artists you haven’t heard of yet, and interviews them as his peers.”

[1] https://www.billboard.com/music/rock/green-day-billie-joe-ar...

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by reducesuffering »

tombert wrote: post #15
injidup wrote: post #6

Finding "new" music is a concept that the music industry has marketed to you like being skinny or that cola is a lifestyle. In times past people were happy with one genre or slight variations of that genre for millennia. Now we are spoiled for choice but are yet still made to feel ashamed if we are not consuming the newest and discarding the oldest. As if there is sickness to be found in enjoying something old and we…

Yeah, I agree. I think it's easy to sit and judge someone as being "uncultured" because they listen to music that was popular when they were a teenager, but fundamentally it's not like they're hurting anyone. I listen to mostly late-90's-early-2000's punk rock even still, and I don't think it's a moral failing that I don't listen to the latest stuff all the time, just like I don't think it's a moral failing for my mo…

> I think it's easy to sit and judge someone as being "uncultured" because they listen to music that was popular when they were a teenager, but fundamentally it's not like they're hurting anyone.

I think the antagonism usually goes in the other way. Most people get crystallized music tastes pretty soon into their life and the second the new generation comes up with something different, it's all "music is crap these days, silly kids, back in my day the 90s had the best music." There are several examples in this thread without a hint of the irony of this article.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by riffic »

monksy wrote: post #51
bigirondba wrote: post #23

I’m not convinced that we stop finding new music, we just become less zealous or outward about it as we get older. When I was young, I was all about talking music, having the right DJ list for roadtrips, etc, etc and now? I just hit play and don’t think too much about it. Probably because it’s harder to attend shows, less relevant to my social life, etc. I’ve also found as I’ve gotten older that I just care less abou…

The artists have made it harder. They've pushed for aggressive one sided fan behavior policies (phone less), they've increased aggressively with the prices, the quality has gone down with many established bands, pushed large shows without building a performance with the space, and they've done a ton of things that don't help their product. It feels more like greed in the business than an experience. That being said I…

perhaps it's ill-behaved fans enjoying the art the wrong way? do we suppose the audience should be talking during a set too?

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by mattpallissard »

qzx_pierri wrote: post #22

Spotify has financial incentive to obfuscate their UI to tilt people toward mindlessly consuming playlists. This is because labels pay Spotify to put certain songs on large playlists, and Spotify knows playlists are a good habit to push onto their users. Radio was used to discover new music decades ago, but paying a radio station (directly) to play a song is illegal (payola), so DJs had to break new songs, styles, an…

I'll add one more

5. Once you find a band you like, pull their tour dates. See who they're opening for or who their openers are.

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