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Senate passes TikTok ban bill, sending it to President Biden's desk

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Re: Senate passes TikTok ban bill, sending it to President Biden's desk

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Post by zavertnik »

dqv wrote: post #12
labrador wrote: post #4

> “In the context of social media platforms used by nearly half of Americans, it’s not hard to imagine how a platform that facilitates so much commerce, political discourse, and social debate could be covertly manipulated to serve the goals of an authoritarian regime, one with a long track record of censorship, transnational repression, and promotion of disinformation.” Mark Warner (D-VA), Senate Intelligence Committ…

Mark Warner has gotten $343,211 from AIPAC. He cares about placating Israel, not protecting our data. If you can find a politician who says this but doesn't take money from AIPAC, I might be a little more convinced.

How does this invalidate the argument Warner is making?

Re: Senate passes TikTok ban bill, sending it to President Biden's desk

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Post by fincycaden »

paulcole wrote: post #76
Izkata wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The fact that it's called the TikTok bill should be embarrassing to every politician involved. The official name is "Protecting Americans from Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act".

It's hard to tell whether you're being intentionally obtuse or are just naturally pedantic, but look at the headline in every news article (including this one on HN). No reasonable person in the US knows this as anything but The TikTok Bill.

That's the fault of the media, not the government.

Re: Senate passes TikTok ban bill, sending it to President Biden's desk

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Post by zavertnik »

stephenlindauer wrote: post #85

Cool. Do Facebook next.

I'm seeing a lot of comments like this, but I have no idea what your camp is trying to say.

The bill isn't a criticism of TikTok's operation, its a criticism on its ownership and how that ownership + influence creates an exploit that poses a threat to NatSec.

This kind of reactionary framing feels like an attempt to put Facebook and TikTok on a level playing field, but the premise of the bill is about tech ownership and influence by companies of or from a foreign adversary.

Facebook is a US company. What am I missing here?

Re: Senate passes TikTok ban bill, sending it to President Biden's desk

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Post by verdverm »

freeone3000 wrote: post #87
verdverm wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point GP was making is not about protecting the data going out, but rather protecting against the influence coming in It's reciprocal since the CCP has the similar policy towards Western social media

Protecting against speech is fundamentally anti-American.

There were media controls during WW2, free speech is not absolute, especially when at war

Re: Senate passes TikTok ban bill, sending it to President Biden's desk

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Post by nyarlathotep_ »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #13
wannacboatmovie wrote: post #9

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Do you care to elaborate on this? Because paying $5/gal gasoline and $8 for a carton of eggs is disastrous for me personally.

> Because paying $5/gal gasoline and $8 for a carton of eggs is disastrous for me personally. I get $5/gal gasoline being a bummer (not that I would notice since I have an EV), but where do you live where eggs cost $8 a carton? I can get 18 for Seriously, I wonder if Trump supporters are just making bad buying decision and then blaming Bidenomics for it? When I lived in Switzerland, I had a lot of price shocks to go…

Hilarious.

Yeah people like me who have been buying the same food for the last ten years just happened to buy new items at the same time inflation started.

Re: Senate passes TikTok ban bill, sending it to President Biden's desk

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Post by paulcole »

fincycaden wrote: post #92
paulcole wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's hard to tell whether you're being intentionally obtuse or are just naturally pedantic, but look at the headline in every news article (including this one on HN). No reasonable person in the US knows this as anything but The TikTok Bill.

That's the fault of the media, not the government.

No, I feel OK blaming the people voting for the TikTok Bill.

Re: Senate passes TikTok ban bill, sending it to President Biden's desk

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Post by greenavocado »

nullindividual wrote: post #79
greenavocado wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The actual purpose of this sale is for the intelligence services to stop the illumination of hypocrisy and crimes of the ruling elite.

How do you come to that conclusion? I can rant and rave here about the shit and aberrant government and if I had an account, reddit, FB, etc without repercussions. We can call out GW Bush for committing warcrimes and killing 100k+ Iraqis. Or Obama for drone strikes on Afghan civilians. Or Trump for existing. Or Biden for killing Afghan civilians on the final day, the day we pulled out of that complete shitshow. Criti…

> I’m sure now that I’ve said that, the FBI and DIA will be making a visit, right?

So far mostly true if you are in the UK. Search YouTube for "uk police visit social media post"

Re: Senate passes TikTok ban bill, sending it to President Biden's desk

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Post by lmm »

knodi123 wrote: post #77
lmm wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We can address multiple threats at once, and are not compelled to address them in priority order. Any improvement is good. Not necessarily. A balance of power can be better for us regular folks at the bottom. Frankly I feel safer in a world where there's at least some non-US social media than a world where people who run the US run everything and no-one can call them out. > Of course nobody wants to make it illegal…

> at least some non-US social media That's not the issue, and it's disingenuous to suggest otherwise. It's not the non-US source, it's the governmental control for specific purposes > Then what exactly is this bill aiming for? Not making it illegal to see- just not making it easy for china to do covertly on a broad scale.

> That's not the issue, and it's disingenuous to suggest otherwise.

> It's not the non-US source, it's the governmental control for specific purposes

Perhaps. Or perhaps it's the US that's being disingenuous, and the real issue is that TikTok threatens what's otherwise a total US dominance of social media. (And note that the national security letter system means that the US has a similar level of governmental control)

Re: Senate passes TikTok ban bill, sending it to President Biden's desk

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Post by latentcall »

labrador wrote: post #73
elfbargpt wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess we'll find out. I'll be waiting with bated breath for the collapse in Palestinian support once ByteDance no longer runs TikTok.

It'd be nice if Gen Z became less anti-American. America deserved it in the Vietnam war. Now, not so much.

Gen Z is the future of the US and I'm glad for it. The kids are alright. They want better conditions and a better future for themselves and others. This isn't anti-American at all.

Re: Senate passes TikTok ban bill, sending it to President Biden's desk

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Post by nebula8804 »

labrador wrote: post #73
elfbargpt wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess we'll find out. I'll be waiting with bated breath for the collapse in Palestinian support once ByteDance no longer runs TikTok.

It'd be nice if Gen Z became less anti-American. America deserved it in the Vietnam war. Now, not so much.

I think ignorance like this is the true source of many problems in the US. Maybe its a side effect of our individualistic culture to not consider what another group might be going through?

>It'd be nice if Gen Z became less anti-American.

It'd be nice if Gen Z wouldn't have to graduate with a ton of college debt into a post pandemic job market that now treats their newly minted CS degrees as worth less per day

It'd be nice if Gen Z could have a viable pathway to live in an area with the remaining good jobs and be able to buy a home to start a family

>America deserved it in the Vietnam war. Now, not so much.

You sure about that?

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