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Biden signs TikTok bill into law, starting clock for ByteDance to divest
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#252I see the feedback here is overwhelmingly negative. My biggest problem is that it’s too narrowly targeted. I have worked for several US businesses with global footprints and working with China (and some other countries) required whole or part ownership of the business by entities within that nation. So we partnered with businesses in China to set up and operate our infra, and had to manage everything through contract…
>China and other countries do far worse to us than just requiring local ownership of businesses; and if they feel that is in their national interest, why can’t we return the favor when we feel it’s in our interest? This is bigger than China for a lot of people. TikTok has given an alternative voice to groups typically marginalized on pro-Western platforms. We typically see hypocrisy from the West when it comes to Isr…
TikTok amplifies whatever is in China's interest to amplify. Today, it happens to be voices opposed to Israel. Tomorrow, it could easily be the opposite. The goal is to generate geopolitical chaos to veil other actions (Taiwan, South China sea, Chinese migrant injections into Panama...).
A society's strength comes from its unity of will and resolve. Social media can be used to attack that unity... and has, not just by China.
Re: Biden signs TikTok bill into law, starting clock for ByteDance to divest
#253Maybe I'm ignorant but can somebody explain to me how the federal government can just ban TikTok? If I create an app or business can the feds just decide to ban it and it's over?
Importantly, this was a law passed by Congress and signed by the president. A fair vote by all the representatives of a Republic should be able to do anything constitutional. And what's constitutional can also be amended by a large majority.
Re: Biden signs TikTok bill into law, starting clock for ByteDance to divest
#254Good. Tiktok is a threat to humanity’s survival, or at least an extremely potent gateway drug to it.
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#255Didn't Democrats kick against it when Trump made the same move?
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Re: Biden signs TikTok bill into law, starting clock for ByteDance to divest
#256Now let's get Facebook/Instagram and Twitter banned from EU/Asia since they are owned by US companies
American social media is already banned in China.
TikTok is also banned in China in favor of the state-controlled Douyin.
Re: Biden signs TikTok bill into law, starting clock for ByteDance to divest
#257I see the feedback here is overwhelmingly negative. My biggest problem is that it’s too narrowly targeted. I have worked for several US businesses with global footprints and working with China (and some other countries) required whole or part ownership of the business by entities within that nation. So we partnered with businesses in China to set up and operate our infra, and had to manage everything through contract…
I know this is not straight up a ban but it is a ban. Maybe Musk will buy it for pennies ona dollar and will turn my TikTok feed to my Twitter feed, which is full of lunatics, conspiracy theories, racist, dog whistle racist, conman and Tesla boys. Maybe Zuck will buy it and will start showing hot girls, meals and tourist attractions like they do on Instagram?
Since I'm not it the USA, maybe I will be able to use the global TikTok that I love. Hopefully.
But this is not my main concern, my main concern is that you people act like everything is about business and the users are just cattle.
0 regards about the fact that lots and lots of people love this app. I'm one of them because its the last place on the internet where it feels like I'm not supposed to be outraged or spending money all the time. It feels like the old internet for me.
Also, if the American users are lost, I will loose a lot of great content.
I'm appalled that people here on HN have no ability to realize that they deal with real people and not only numbers in the analytics and the bank.
It almost feels like there's no sense of identity here, no sese of persons who must have freedom to use and consume whatever they want.
The argument goes "The Chinese are banning our social media companies, why would we do the same?". Why don't you rephrase it as "The Chinese communist part controls what apps and media the Chinese citizens can consume, why we don't control what Americans consume?".
Can you really not see that taking away a product that people use is not only about companies? Are you really that blind to see that you can't claim being "the free world" by imitating China?
Chinese government is not the ideal form of governance, please stop trying to be like China. Have some sense of personal freedoms.
Re: Biden signs TikTok bill into law, starting clock for ByteDance to divest
#258Will be nice to see how this going to be implemented. Good luck with that.
Re: Biden signs TikTok bill into law, starting clock for ByteDance to divest
#259Maybe I'm ignorant but can somebody explain to me how the federal government can just ban TikTok? If I create an app or business can the feds just decide to ban it and it's over?
It's a bill of attainder, which is unconstitutional in the USA. May or may not be struck down in court.
It's not. A bill of attainder declares a specific person guilty for past actions and punishing them - thereby denying them the right to a judicial trial.
While this bill does refer to a specific organization, it doesn't punish them for past actions, but rather constrains US companies in the future. That is perfectly ok as shown in cases like Huawei v. United States or Kaspersky Lab, Inc. v. DHS. Like Kaspersky, it's "prophylactic, not punitive."
Re: Biden signs TikTok bill into law, starting clock for ByteDance to divest
#260Earlier quoted context omitted.
>China and other countries do far worse to us than just requiring local ownership of businesses; and if they feel that is in their national interest, why can’t we return the favor when we feel it’s in our interest? This is bigger than China for a lot of people. TikTok has given an alternative voice to groups typically marginalized on pro-Western platforms. We typically see hypocrisy from the West when it comes to Isr…
TikTok amplifies whatever is in China's interest to amplify. Today, it happens to be voices opposed to Israel. Tomorrow, it could easily be the opposite. The goal is to generate geopolitical chaos to veil other actions (Taiwan, South China sea, Chinese migrant injections into Panama...). A society's strength comes from its unity of will and resolve. Social media can be used to attack that unity... and has, not just b…
>TikTok amplifies whatever is in China's interest to amplify.
So just like the other platforms, but for China instead of the US? (aka: "It's bad when you do it, not when we do it").