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Re: No one buys books

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post #719

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You certainly did say those things. They are quoted from your posts, but abbreviated to be less verbose and wandering. I used ellipses to show where words were cut, and I think you understand this so you seem to just be difficult/obtuse out of a desire to argue. To be generous, you said they are the "largest contributors" which I agree is different than being "most likely." But the research does show they are more li…

> Just as a counterpoint to your late-stage capitalism-esque viewpoint, wealthy are also shown to over index in conscientiousness in some studies. I fail to see how this is a counter point. Sure, conscientiousness, and I would add work ethics certainly explain some inequality. But even if they explained most of it (exploiting people does require work, and I'd expect the more conscientious capitalists are better at it…

>I fail to see how this is a counter point.

Well, that's probably because you are constantly arguing different points that aren't necessarily germane to the discussion. Remember, this was about your point that wealthy people build their wealth by suppressing education in the general populace. So this is a counter-point in that it is possible to build wealth by conscientious behavior instead. There is some research on the latter, but really only conjecture and false narratives on the former.

Wealth inequality and the state of democracy are digressions from that point. I don't think I made any statements about what level of wealth inequality is healthy for the stability of a society, let alone a moral argument for it, nor did I make any claims about democracy. Again, this just comes across as you having an axe to grind, and you'll shoehorn in talking points without addressing the central claim.

Re: No one buys books

#732

From the article: >>> "Wouldn’t it be great if you could pay $9.99 a month and read all of the books you want?" I sincerely hope nothing "disrupts" public libraries in my lifetime. As a California resident, I can walk into ANY public library in the state and get a free library card with access to physical books, audiobooks, ebooks. Some branches have laptops, hotspots, tablets, e-readers available to borrow. My local…

I'm a big fan of the library, but that doesn't mean I can get access to every film that exists on Netflix.

I check out a lot of books at the library, but I can't get access to all of the books I would like to access.

Should a tech solution replace the library? No. But there should be another option than buying it from Amazon.

Re: No one buys books

#733
post #566

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Why would that be obvious? It seems more likely that they don't care about libraries.

Can you precise what "that" is referring to?

I think "that" = "the idea that rich assholes would like to keep the education level of the general population below a threatening threshold is not conspiracy thinking to me, it's just obvious."

("the idea" is what you claimed is obvious)

Re: No one buys books

#734
post #707

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I don’t know if you have ever been to a public library, but basically all of them are prominently adorned with the names of their largest donors.

How many of those could you have built if you had taxed billionaires with a normal tax rate?

I believe this is called "moving the goalposts".

Re: No one buys books

#735

From the article: >>> "Wouldn’t it be great if you could pay $9.99 a month and read all of the books you want?" I sincerely hope nothing "disrupts" public libraries in my lifetime. As a California resident, I can walk into ANY public library in the state and get a free library card with access to physical books, audiobooks, ebooks. Some branches have laptops, hotspots, tablets, e-readers available to borrow. My local…

The only thing that kind of bothers me about libraries is that, as a tech focused individual, basically every book I read or whatever is either an ebook or a audiobook, and I don't want to have to go to the library to pick it out. I understand if I were getting physical books the need to go to a physical location to grab them, but if I'm getting something digital I don't want to have to go to the library. My library doesn't really offer an online catalog that you can just download from, only look at to see what you want to get in the library, and the free library services that they offer like the big ebook repositories don't have any books that I feel like I want to read, so it is just far easier to torrent things or have an audible subscription. Most libraries don't have really cool extra stuff like maker spaces or aquariums or anything remotely interesting other than books and maybe some computers for homeless people to use or whatever, so unless you're physically going there for a book, they're kind of pointless.

I'm not saying I don't appreciate and respect libraries, but they really just didn't change with the times around where I am, and it makes them far more inconvenient to use for someone in my particular position than it does to make them convenient. I will still support them as a public access, and I think it would be tragic if they went away, but I wish they would spend a little bit more of whatever budget they get investing on making it. Not a terrible experience to get shit online.

Re: No one buys books

#736
post #25

The entire book industry rides on the backs of bibles, hobbits, and extremely ravenous caterpillars. Seems almost poetic, somehow.

I gotta admit: I rarely make time for any recent fiction. Too busy catching up on the last 5,000 years. I don’t expect that to change before I die. Film has a similar problem—there are plausibly low-thousands existing films worth my time, a whole lot of them 30+ years old. I could never watch a film made after 2000 and not run out of good entertainment in my lifetime. They’re damn lucky the Mouse got copyright extend…

This is the argument I bring up whenever people start ranting about how widespread torrenting means we will never have new music or movies. Who cares? I have multiple lifetimes of good stuff to enjoy already.

Re: No one buys books

#737
post #117

Books are a vestigial organ. Nobody uses books as their primary mode of accessing information about the world anymore. What is interesting is that the cultural mores around this vestigial organ have persisted to such a great degree. Harry Potter Books are a psycho-social mechanism of self-construction more than an actual work of fiction. The phenomenon of "I am a bookish person who reads Harry Potter" as a psychologi…

I think I can rewrite this post using simpler language: "I don't read books, and I assume nobody else does too. People who read fun stories have ulterior motives besides enjoying the stories. (As opposed to the honest motives of people who enjoy movies or music, or other media) People who write books have ulterior, egotistical motives to do so. Celebrities sometimes write memoirs. See, this proves something! The abov…

The fact that you have enough reading comprehension to summarize my comment, deconstruct its arguments, and formulate a counterargument puts you in an extremely small minority. You and I spend time around people who read, who have reading comprehension. Of those, a shrinking minority occasionally read actual books.

Most people never, ever, ever read paper or e-reader books. They struggle mightily in school to read the things they are _forced_ to read, and then say "never again" for life when they graduate. This is true even for intelligent people who have "good jobs" with disposable income and time set aside that they could conceivably spend reading paper or e-reader books. Seriously, if half of your friends have read a single paper or e-reader book in the last year, you are in a very very small minority.

Media that people regularly consume: Cable TV, Streaming Services, Instagram and TikTok, Movies, Sports, Reddit/Twitter/the news (CNN, etc), paper or e-reader books. What is your intuition about how large each of these categories is compared to the others? If you say "books" is even 5%, you are off by an order of magnitude.

What I am saying is that this holds true, even for a fandom like Harry Potter, which is ostensibly based around reading a book!

Re: No one buys books

#738
post #731

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Just as a counterpoint to your late-stage capitalism-esque viewpoint, wealthy are also shown to over index in conscientiousness in some studies. I fail to see how this is a counter point. Sure, conscientiousness, and I would add work ethics certainly explain some inequality. But even if they explained most of it (exploiting people does require work, and I'd expect the more conscientious capitalists are better at it…

> I fail to see how this is a counter point. Well, that's probably because you are constantly arguing different points that aren't necessarily germane to the discussion. Remember, this was about your point that wealthy people build their wealth by suppressing education in the general populace. So this is a counter-point in that it is possible to build wealth by conscientious behavior instead. There is some research o…

> Remember, this was about your point that wealthy people build their wealth by suppressing education in the general populace.

No.

> Wealth inequality and the state of democracy are digressions from that point.

Yes.

Re: No one buys books

#739

From the article: >>> "Wouldn’t it be great if you could pay $9.99 a month and read all of the books you want?" I sincerely hope nothing "disrupts" public libraries in my lifetime. As a California resident, I can walk into ANY public library in the state and get a free library card with access to physical books, audiobooks, ebooks. Some branches have laptops, hotspots, tablets, e-readers available to borrow. My local…

> "Wouldn’t it be great if you could pay $9.99 a month and read all of the books you want?"

Yes I'd love more spyware and another platform as a service that reduces ownership of things

Re: No one buys books

#740
post #406

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I can. Book publishers are terrible and they always have been. At least that is the case here in Denmark. They game our library system, so that books they know won’t sell well but will be lent a lot at the libraries, like a lot of children books are priced ridiculously. These books are never actually put in stores, because why bother? But our libraries, have, to buy them and then pay fees to the publishing houses bas…

> Publishers pay your royalties by the size of your printed name on the front of the book. If your name isn’t there you get 0 royalties. If your name is smaller than the other names you get significantly less royalties. If your name is smaller, and, italic, you get almost no royalties and so on. Who makes decisions for font cover design? Are they in a position to help out their friends with larger typefaces? > They g…

As far as I can tell, the comment you are replying to is just making shit up. The claim about royalties depending on the cover make absolutely no sense, since it is the publisher who commision the cover design.
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