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Biden signs TikTok bill into law, starting clock for ByteDance to divest

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Re: Biden signs TikTok bill into law, starting clock for ByteDance to divest

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I get why they did it, but it's disappointing to have congress decide what software we're allowed to use. I wonder if China or other countries will do the same for US apps now.

They literally already do, I'm not sure what rock people have been living under but whenever I read comments like this it feels like misinformation campaign material given how common knowledge it is that China regulates foreign apps, internet traffic, and data.

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#152

I get why they did it, but it's disappointing to have congress decide what software we're allowed to use. I wonder if China or other countries will do the same for US apps now.

China already bans many many western companies and services.

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This shows that values such as “freedom of speech” are only key words used to enforce US policy in other countries. For such a long time it was advocated that free speech is an important thing and good in and on itself. Now it turns out the free speech is good only as long as it’s US who dominates the information market.

“Now”? The US and state governments constantly try to violate free speech. Texas, Florida, and California all had major laws truck down for 1st amendment violations in the past year. And it’s been like this since the first Adams administration

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Maybe I'm ignorant but can somebody explain to me how the federal government can just ban TikTok? If I create an app or business can the feds just decide to ban it and it's over?

It's a bill of attainder, which is unconstitutional in the USA. May or may not be struck down in court.

No it's not. China doesn't have any civil/constitutional rights in the USA.

Re: Biden signs TikTok bill into law, starting clock for ByteDance to divest

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From the world where the USA was the bastion of free speech which was condemning countries like Turkey for blocking social media to a world where the USA blocks social media. I guess when the reasons are about money(i.e. Chinese block American companies) its all good because it can't be about national security since the countries who used to block American social media were condemned for doing it in the name of natio…

You complain about the USA regulating TikTok and then you wish it followed the EU model, which is more regulated? The EU is inching closer to effectively banning US social media companies with their prohibitions on ads anyway. We may see region-specific social media at some point.

In the EU all social media companies have to comply to the same rules. This is normal "regulation". China also regulates all social media companies on whether or not they are willing to censor speech or not. This is also called normal "regulation" as it applies to all social media companies. No single social media is selected out and discriminated against.

On the other hand, US is regulating Tiktok AND pretty much only Tiktok, which is breaking no laws except now this new one where part of its ownership is Chinese. This wouldn't look as farcical if the US forced facebook, twitter, etc. to comply with privacy issues, etc.

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I can almost hear the Meta execs cackling in their bathtubs of cash. Seriously though, this decision just feels unsubstantiated and rushed. There are so many claims of manipulation and our data being used by China via TikTok but I can't help but feel a company like Instagram does the exact same thing but it's not a Chinese company so we are just... okay with that?

I doubt instagram will replace it. Just like Youtube Shorts, they will fail to grab its audience. People who are using instagram/youtube are there because they like the format, and if they wanted tiktok, they 'd go to tiktok

I mostly use YouTube for Shorts and Reels is the de facto format of Instagram nowadays.

Re: Biden signs TikTok bill into law, starting clock for ByteDance to divest

#159
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I won't stop using it.

You won't have to, but if an actual ban went through, and an iPhone is your only means of connection, you would be truly SOL, because Apple's captured ecosystem only allows users to run what Apple will permit. We need open ecosystems and access to full root-level control of our devices by default. Accept no substitutes.

Don't use an iphone if you don't like it, don't use tiktok if you don't like it. It's really very simple, the government has no role in either case.

Re: Biden signs TikTok bill into law, starting clock for ByteDance to divest

#160

If I were Bytedance I would cut off the US. I certainly would not sell to a competitor. And I’d probably do a licensing deal for the content with a new entity without US based shareholders.

> If I were Bytedance I would cut off the US

This is economically irrational to the tune of tens of billions of dollars. If Beijing truly does this, it somewhat cements the argument that TikTok was a CCP policy tool.

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