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Biden signs TikTok bill into law, starting clock for ByteDance to divest

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Re: Biden signs TikTok bill into law, starting clock for ByteDance to divest

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Post by chamsom »

MaxHoppersGhost wrote: post #67
bluSCALE4 wrote: post #55

Crazy, all the spying we do and we can't provide any definitive proof of anything yet we're jumping to banning a company. Looks like all that red scare stuff isn't a thing of the past, eh? And we all get to suffer for it. From losing a platform, to facing shadow bans with no recourse, to laws being passed that continue to stamp out our civil liberties to the point that we forget they were even there, what's it all fo…

China can and already has used tiktok to influence the U.S. population. Just because the US spies a bunch doesn’t mean we shouldn’t protect our best interests.

Please cite a well written study to back up your claim that is not an opinion piece or some state sanctioned message, from any country.

Re: Biden signs TikTok bill into law, starting clock for ByteDance to divest

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Post by IncreasePosts »

ok123456 wrote: post #60
dwnoble wrote: post #22

Fun fact: according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_ma... , tiktok.com has been blocked in mainland China since 2020.

Shouldn't the US prove it's better than China by its self-consistent actions with its espoused virtues of freedom of the press?

The self consistent actions could just be "tit for tat" responses to the behavior of others. Does China allow free reign of American companies within its borders? No? Then China doesn't get that right either.

Regardless, TikTok isn't going away, it is just changing owners. How does that have any effect on freedom of the press?

Re: Biden signs TikTok bill into law, starting clock for ByteDance to divest

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Post by darknavi »

slg wrote: post #75

>The "Protecting Americans From Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act" was approved as part of a larger appropriations bill that provides aid to Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan. Regardless of your opinions on TikTok, this type of thing is incredibly frustrating and routine practice in American politics. Can't actually get support for the legislation you want? Just add it on to some other completely unrelated piec…

It was a series of bills

Re: Biden signs TikTok bill into law, starting clock for ByteDance to divest

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Post by afavour »

waihtis wrote: post #85

Good. Tiktok is a threat to humanity’s survival, or at least an extremely potent gateway drug to it.

If that’s the argument then you need to regulate social media as a whole. Instead this is specifically geopolitical intrigue rather than any care about the mental health of the American people.

Microsoft/Meta/A conglomerate of record labels(?) will buy TikTok and it’ll continue to exist just as it does today.

Re: Biden signs TikTok bill into law, starting clock for ByteDance to divest

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Post by mrtksn »

flohofwoe wrote: post #73
mrtksn wrote: post #29

From the world where the USA was the bastion of free speech which was condemning countries like Turkey for blocking social media to a world where the USA blocks social media. I guess when the reasons are about money(i.e. Chinese block American companies) its all good because it can't be about national security since the countries who used to block American social media were condemned for doing it in the name of natio…

TikTok is currently also under heavy scrunity in Europe. In any case, it's just tit for tat, pretty much all western social media platforms are banned in China, why should Chinese social media platforms be treated differently in the western world?

>pretty much all social media platforms are banned in China, why should China have free reign in the western world?

This is so out of touch that its hard to comprehend. Is it maybe because the supposedly fee people should have the freedom to choose what to use? Unlike you know, the Chinese or North Koreans? Fuck Chinese government, its not something that the "free" world implements. Stop copying the Chinese government.

Is "freedom" only about businesses in the USA? What happen people's freedoms?

Re: Biden signs TikTok bill into law, starting clock for ByteDance to divest

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Post by jjordan »

ok123456 wrote: post #41

I won't stop using it.

You won't have to, but if an actual ban went through, and an iPhone is your only means of connection, you would be truly SOL, because Apple's captured ecosystem only allows users to run what Apple will permit.

We need open ecosystems and access to full root-level control of our devices by default. Accept no substitutes.

Re: Biden signs TikTok bill into law, starting clock for ByteDance to divest

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Post by spiderfarmer »

sgt wrote: post #74
spiderfarmer wrote: post #63

If I were Bytedance I would cut off the US. I certainly would not sell to a competitor. And I’d probably do a licensing deal for the content with a new entity without US based shareholders.

This is your perfect time to sell the crap before it goes stale. Come on, have we learned nothing?

Maybe I just value not being bullied over being rich.

Re: Biden signs TikTok bill into law, starting clock for ByteDance to divest

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Post by cljacoby »

As I understand the bill is solely focused with the national security implications of ByteDance being China-based, and not the social impacts of short form video platforms on mental health, attention span, etc. Good news for Instagram Reels.

I also wonder if this goes through, does this set a precedent for enforcing similar divestment expectations for any companies operating in China. Is this isolated to social media platform, or could this also eventually extend in to other industries like manufacturing?

Re: Biden signs TikTok bill into law, starting clock for ByteDance to divest

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Post by ok123456 »

IncreasePosts wrote: post #92
ok123456 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Shouldn't the US prove it's better than China by its self-consistent actions with its espoused virtues of freedom of the press?

The self consistent actions could just be "tit for tat" responses to the behavior of others. Does China allow free reign of American companies within its borders? No? Then China doesn't get that right either. Regardless, TikTok isn't going away, it is just changing owners. How does that have any effect on freedom of the press?

What if they don't want to change owners? Why should a global company from Singapore do what US politicians want?
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