Controversial, but right move by US.
Biden signs TikTok bill into law, starting clock for ByteDance to divest
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Re: Biden signs TikTok bill into law, starting clock for ByteDance to divest
#82The work "ban" is in scare quotes for a reason. The law doesn't ban TikTok. Rather, it bans TikTok from having Chinese owners. If the law stands, the end result will likely be that TikTok will be sold to US owners, rather than TikTok going away. It's surprising to me that this this pretty significant distinction has been glossed over both in media reporting and in general comments here on HN. To be clear, I'm not sup…
It's glossed over because it creates a more emotional response framing it like that rather than giving the technical details that reveal the actual situation is perhaps less sensational?
If by glossed over you mean put in quotes in the title and made clear in the first sentence of the article.
Re: Biden signs TikTok bill into law, starting clock for ByteDance to divest
#83>The "Protecting Americans From Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act" was approved as part of a larger appropriations bill that provides aid to Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan. Regardless of your opinions on TikTok, this type of thing is incredibly frustrating and routine practice in American politics. Can't actually get support for the legislation you want? Just add it on to some other completely unrelated piec…
No, in the house they voted on this bill by itself and it passed overwhelmingly - 360 to 58
Re: Biden signs TikTok bill into law, starting clock for ByteDance to divest
#84This is Idiocracy
This is forcing the US government to show their true colors.
Re: Biden signs TikTok bill into law, starting clock for ByteDance to divest
#85Good. Tiktok is a threat to humanity’s survival, or at least an extremely potent gateway drug to it.
Re: Biden signs TikTok bill into law, starting clock for ByteDance to divest
#86Crazy, all the spying we do and we can't provide any definitive proof of anything yet we're jumping to banning a company. Looks like all that red scare stuff isn't a thing of the past, eh? And we all get to suffer for it. From losing a platform, to facing shadow bans with no recourse, to laws being passed that continue to stamp out our civil liberties to the point that we forget they were even there, what's it all fo…
China can and already has used tiktok to influence the U.S. population. Just because the US spies a bunch doesn’t mean we shouldn’t protect our best interests.
You misread OP. With all spies they should have found some evidence of CCP trying to influence.
Re: Biden signs TikTok bill into law, starting clock for ByteDance to divest
#87>app stores in the US would have to drop the app, and Internet hosting services would be prohibited from providing services that enable distribution of TikTok in the US So just install it like a normal application instead of using an "app store". But does this mean if I host the .apk or whatever on my personal website I would be breaking the law?
This little blurb is not the actual law, so it's not worth considering what it means. You'll have to read the text of the law with a lawyer to see how clear it is. Even if the letter of the law leaves a little room for interpretation, think about what you would be trying to prove because I think the courts will agree that the spirit of the law is clear.
Re: Biden signs TikTok bill into law, starting clock for ByteDance to divest
#88Crazy, all the spying we do and we can't provide any definitive proof of anything yet we're jumping to banning a company. Looks like all that red scare stuff isn't a thing of the past, eh? And we all get to suffer for it. From losing a platform, to facing shadow bans with no recourse, to laws being passed that continue to stamp out our civil liberties to the point that we forget they were even there, what's it all fo…
From what I understand it’s not just about spying. The Chinese Communist Party knows how harmful and addictive the algorithm is that the Chinese version of the app focuses on showing higher quality content (quality as judged by them).
So if they know it’s harmful, they have an interest on showing low quality content to the western audience and possibly psychologically and intellectually affect an entire generation.
Re: Biden signs TikTok bill into law, starting clock for ByteDance to divest
#89Didn't Democrats kick against it when Trump made the same move?
Re: Biden signs TikTok bill into law, starting clock for ByteDance to divest
#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
And yet, at least anecdotally, it is very widely used, along with virtually every other resource that that Chinese state regards as banned.
I think they meant the US domain tiktok.com is banned. TikTok itself is not banned in CN, and its web presence there is likely available at the respective CN domain. I’m guessing it’s tiktok.cn, but I’m not checking so I take no responsibility if it’s a phishing domain.
Yeah, I think you're correct.
...but seriously: The Chinese state pretends that Wikipedia is banned in China. Does anybody seriously think that Chinese people don't use Wikipedia, like every day?
Routing around a ban of this nature is so utterly trivial, and the primary audience of TikTok is strongly integrative of demographics which are digital natives accustomed to subverting such bans (heck, they got almost universal training in this area by having to jailbreak their school-issued tablets).