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Re: Zoho is attracting the attention of African startup founders

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What may really blow their mind is that there are open source tools that cost even less. Zoho is a good choice though, their CRM was not the best but got the job done. Has a good API. Haven’t tried their other tools like docs or mail.

What are some of the open source/low cost email options that don’t have to deal with the headache of email deliverability, black list management etc.

I gave Zoho a compliment, not sure why there is so much defensiveness.

You are right - open source requires more work. My response related to open source was responding to the article's tone that it was surprising that anything could be cheaper than Google or Microsoft :) Which is silly.

Re: Zoho is attracting the attention of African startup founders

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Zoho is a major player in the industry being direct competitor to small business. They are also bootstrapped.

> bootstraped i think they got a big injection when yahoo bought them, tried to dogfood in lieu of exchange, failed and sold for pennies back to the founders

I dont think Zoho was ever acquired. They were and are still are a private company with no external investments. Interestingly the confusion seems to be with Zimbra and here is a blog post on Zimbra acquisition by Zoho themselves.

https://www.zoho.com/blog/general/the-real-cost-of-acquisiti...

Re: Zoho is attracting the attention of African startup founders

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> Zoho started allowing African companies to pay for its software in local currencies. This decision has been a major reason for Zoho’s success in Africa as it allowed customers and potential clients to avoid regulatory hurdles around dollar spending > Zoho has also been aggressive with its pricing in Africa. Zoho One, a bundle of more than 45 products This is a major reason why Western products aren't landing as wel…

I'm completely OK with American brands making Americans their primary target again.

Is it some sort of MATA (with T standing for "Target")?

Re: Zoho is attracting the attention of African startup founders

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> Zoho started allowing African companies to pay for its software in local currencies. This decision has been a major reason for Zoho’s success in Africa as it allowed customers and potential clients to avoid regulatory hurdles around dollar spending > Zoho has also been aggressive with its pricing in Africa. Zoho One, a bundle of more than 45 products This is a major reason why Western products aren't landing as wel…

> Sticking to principles like Data Security, Privacy, Isn't that something Europe has but the US chose not to (at least regarding computer/ad/tech industry) ?

European regulators talk big, but European companies (German+French) have really horrid internal security practices.

I don't want to name names as it can affect me professionally, but I would never trust a European (German+French) digital platform developed by one of their traditional conglomerates - even a stereotypically non-technical American F500 like Home Depot has way better technical and security practices than some of the European (German+French) conglomerates I've dealt with.

These are organizations where managing ACLs are a brand new practice.

Re: Zoho is attracting the attention of African startup founders

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Only made them a top 5 economy with a tiny population, few natural resources and little to no land. Sounds like being a U.S. vassal state is an excellent place to be. Which is actually truer than one may think. Most U.S. “vassal states” do excellently, including much of Europe, Israel, Saudi Arabia, etc. The primary reason behind that is they are not vassal states. The U.S. doesn’t have vassal states (outside of mayb…

The recent decline of Japan caused by American restrictions and vassalization is well documented, same for Germany.

Re: Zoho is attracting the attention of African startup founders

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I had Zoho set up on the lowest tier for a side-hustle project years ago. It did it's job smoothly and without much intrusion. Then the project ended and I forgot about the Zoho account, changed phone numbers, lost the 2fa keys - all of it. Totally my fault. Their support quickly and competently handheld me through the shutdown process. I can't imagine the nightmare Google would've forced me through to shut down a po…

Zoho support is neat when you compare against any other big tech.

They are kind of slow at developing features, for instance you can't set up new tags/folders for email in the phone app, only on desktop, and this has been like that since beginning of times.

Re: Zoho is attracting the attention of African startup founders

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> A company like GOOG can't justify using a product like Razorpay that is directly competing with internal platforms. This does seem silly, though, even though it's probably already obvious to say. If they want to build something, and why not, build an integrating service over the top of that one and the internal ones, and figure out how to select the one to use based on the currency/location/etc.

No company ever pays a competitor. It's partially for financial reasons (why should I pay you to undermine my lead) as well as competitive (the competitor can extrapolate our own internal trends, and then potentially use it against us in competitive deals). This is why Walmart is famous for forcing every single one of it's vendors not use Amazon services in a Walmart related SKU (eg. If I'm selling a SaaS to Walmart,…

>No company ever pays a competitor.

Didn't Apple use a bunch of Samsung components in the iPhone for years?

Re: Zoho is attracting the attention of African startup founders

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> Zoho started allowing African companies to pay for its software in local currencies. This decision has been a major reason for Zoho’s success in Africa as it allowed customers and potential clients to avoid regulatory hurdles around dollar spending > Zoho has also been aggressive with its pricing in Africa. Zoho One, a bundle of more than 45 products This is a major reason why Western products aren't landing as wel…

What mistake did Japan make btw?

Not concentrating on localization and expanding their TAM.

Japanese firms had much less money to play around with after the Asian financial crisis in the 1990s, and localization costs a LOT of money.

Japan is already a large (125M+ pop, $4T GDP) market with an insular population that only really speaks Japanese.

This meant Japanese companies line Sony, Toshiba, etc can survive by just selling to Japanese customers without having to worry about spending money on innovating or building competitive products, as non-Japanese companies didn't care as much about Japanese localization and Japanese consumers couldn't really afford dollar denominated products on a Japanese salary.

Within 15 years, Japan got overshadowed by Korea, which to Japanese before rhe 2010s was what Americans think of Mexico. Korea has a much smaller population and historically had a much poorer population than Japan (they only caught up in median household incomes recently-ish - last 5 years), and as such Korean companies were more international facing and open to adopting best practices from abroad and competing in the developing world (it was Korean companies like Samsung that paved the path for Apple to begin manufacturing in China, India, and Vietnam)

Companies like Sony, Toyota, and Kirin got overshadowed by Samsung (Korea), Hyundai (Korea), and Lotte (Korea), and Korean conglomerates like Lotte began buying up Japanese prestige brands, and even Japanese-Koreans became like Mayoshi Son major titans of industry

Re: Zoho is attracting the attention of African startup founders

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Zoho is a major player in the industry being direct competitor to small business. They are also bootstrapped.

> bootstraped i think they got a big injection when yahoo bought them, tried to dogfood in lieu of exchange, failed and sold for pennies back to the founders

Yahoo tried to acquire Zoho. But, Zoho denied the offer from yahoo

Re: Zoho is attracting the attention of African startup founders

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Only made them a top 5 economy with a tiny population, few natural resources and little to no land. Sounds like being a U.S. vassal state is an excellent place to be. Which is actually truer than one may think. Most U.S. “vassal states” do excellently, including much of Europe, Israel, Saudi Arabia, etc. The primary reason behind that is they are not vassal states. The U.S. doesn’t have vassal states (outside of mayb…

The recent decline of Japan caused by American restrictions and vassalization is well documented, same for Germany.

That's not the mainstream economic consensus, nor what the Japanese economists themselves think.

One thing often forgotten is that the trade surplus of Germany and Japan was so high that it was literally squeezing out the growth of other export developing countries. That kind of artificially overleveraged bubble is unsustainable for any nation, and the Japanese failed to make the neccesary reforms till it burst. Germany managed to come out fine, while setting the stage for the rest of Asian tigers to rise.

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