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Chechnya bans music outside the range of 80-116 beats per minute

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Re: Chechnya bans music outside the range of 80-116 beats per minute

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I'm sure their attempt to ban music with a given nominal feature will be a total success with no complications then. If the government can't make coherent laws, that is the government's problem.

It’s the citizens’ problem until enough of them can make it the government’s problem.

Laws are tautologically in the domain of government.

edit: If the torture is unlawful, then the government is illegitimate. I'm not saying life doesn't suck; I'm just saying no actually citizens should not tolerate unjust laws just because making just laws is ~too hard~.

(I had to add this reply in an edit because this garbage ass gestapo run website is throttling my reply rate.)

Re: Chechnya bans music outside the range of 80-116 beats per minute

#82

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If a formal system isn't consistent, then it shouldn't work.

If a legal system doesn’t have some flex, it doesn’t work.

I have to say, I'm just struck with astonishment to encounter a truism about "flexible government" as a defense of autocratic despotism.

Re: Chechnya bans music outside the range of 80-116 beats per minute

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Sounds so outlandish, but then this comes to mind how the UK tried to ban raves: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_Justice_and_Public_... > Sections 63, 64 & 65 of the Act targeted electronic dance music played at raves. The Criminal Justice and Public Order Act empowered police to stop a rave in the open air when "ten or more people are attending, or where two or more are making preparations for a rave". Sect…

I don't think it really targeted EDM. It just had to have some kind of differentiator in the law about what is a noise and what's music. And > “music” includes sounds wholly or predominantly characterised by the emission of a succession of repetitive beats. Is fairly reasonable. It also seems the law mostly relates to being able to stop the rave and remove people rather than making it a criminal offence to do the thi…

This is going to be great for the ambient music festival scene.

Re: Chechnya bans music outside the range of 80-116 beats per minute

#84

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It’s the citizens’ problem until enough of them can make it the government’s problem.

Laws are tautologically in the domain of government. edit: If the torture is unlawful, then the government is illegitimate. I'm not saying life doesn't suck; I'm just saying no actually citizens should not tolerate unjust laws just because making just laws is ~too hard~. (I had to add this reply in an edit because this garbage ass gestapo run website is throttling my reply rate.)

There's rarely tort relief for torture, even less so in Russia repblics.

If Ramzan Kadyrov is properly serious about this declaration then it'll firmly remain a citizen's problem until the next great leap { forward | backward | sideways | down }.

Re: Chechnya bans music outside the range of 80-116 beats per minute

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Those aren't equivalent, though. In 3/4 it's a given that the quarter note is the part that gets represented by the word "beat." That's 160bpm, so an eighth-note would be 320bpm. In 6/8, the dotted quarter note is what gets represented as the "beat" because in 6/8 the meter divides into two halves of 3 eighth-notes each. So if you want to set each eighth-note in 6/8 to go by at 320bpm, a duration equal to three eight…

I was always taught that in 6/8 time, there's 6 beats per measure and a beat is an eighth note, hence 6/8.

You have two important metric groups in nearly every piece ever written in 6/8:

1. The full measure divided into 6 eighth-notes, as you point out

2. Those six eighth-notes divided into two groups, each containing three eighth-notes

Musicians end up counting it something like this: "ONE two three TWO two three," with a primary emphasis on "ONE" and an ancillary emphasis on "TWO." These two accents are sometimes called the "big beats," or are notated as dotted quarter-notes both in the score and in the tempo marking. The accent pattern can also be described as "feeling it in two," meaning that the player picks a tempo suitable to make the big beats clear to the listener.

While there are some slower 6/8 pieces where the tempo marking might be specified with an eighth-note, the piece is still notated using dotted quarter-notes to mark the "big beats," and (aside from some temporary syncopations) the players still divide up the measures into two big groups.

It is counted and notated this way because-- ignoring temporary syncopations-- music written in 6/8 predominantly obeys those metric groups.

In other words, if you try to speak the eighth-note tempo in 6/8 doing, "ONE and TWO and THREE and," you will be going against the grain of the music. E.g., you'll be speaking that rhythm while the bass pattern might be articulating bass notes on eighth-note #1 and #4, and/or the melody follows a pattern in groups of three eighth-notes, and/or the middle-range accompanimental chords play on eighth-note #2, #3, #5, and #6, and so on...

Re: Chechnya bans music outside the range of 80-116 beats per minute

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Amateurs, ‘Merica fixed this problem two decades back: https://www.congress.gov/bill/107th-congress/senate-bill/263...

Sponsor was Biden? Interesting.

Yes, despite his state (Delaware) not even really having a rave scene. He was widely despised among politically-minded folks in the electronic music scene.

Biden sponsored the "RAVE Act" as part of his long-term focus on writing extreme "war on drugs" legislation. He previously also wrote the legislation that created the Federal drug czar position, and he was chairman of the Senate Drug Caucus. When it came to drug laws, he was to the right of Reagan and George HW Bush, criticizing them for not being tough enough on drugs.

Re: Chechnya bans music outside the range of 80-116 beats per minute

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post #62

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It's interesting, but I don't think it really confirms either interpretation. This link is about what Kadyrov says about the announcement. Not the announcement/rule itself. One click further leads to https://tass-ru.translate.goog/kultura/20461139?_x_tr_sl=ru&... > "He announced the final decision, agreed with the head of the Chechen Republic Ramzan Akhmatovich Kadyrov, that from now on all musical, vocal and choreog…

Kadyrov is the “primariest” source imaginable, since he basically runs Chechnya. If he says it’s for Chechen music only, that’s how it’s going to be. Seems like it was misinterpreted by Russian press first, and then uncritically picked up by the Western media.

That's funny, at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39993936 we came to the conclusion that it would not apply to Chechen music (specifically Lezginka, which I tend to clock at 120+)...

Then again, the probable real conclusion here is: if you're on Kadyrov's bad side, better to never be in proximity to both boom boxes and high windows.

(for our US readers: Kadyrov is what Erik Prince wishes he were)

Re: Chechnya bans music outside the range of 80-116 beats per minute

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post #19

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That's also incredibly dumb, but at least they attempted to criminalize the actual activity they found objectionable. That's at least a rational way to write the law. This BPM law is a complete joke, though, through and through. It won't actually accomplish what they (supposedly) want, and will just cause trouble for people. And to be completely fair, my own country is/was dumb too: in the 1920s many places in the US…

New York City had laws on the books until 2017 banning dancing in bars that don't have a "caberet license." I remember going out to bars and seeing signs on the wall that said "No dancing." We thought it was a joke until they came up to us and told us to stop dancing. Places could get hefty fines. It took a big activist push to get the law repealed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_Cabaret_Law

I think Tokyo still has the same thing, technically

Re: Chechnya bans music outside the range of 80-116 beats per minute

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post #19

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That's also incredibly dumb, but at least they attempted to criminalize the actual activity they found objectionable. That's at least a rational way to write the law. This BPM law is a complete joke, though, through and through. It won't actually accomplish what they (supposedly) want, and will just cause trouble for people. And to be completely fair, my own country is/was dumb too: in the 1920s many places in the US…

New York City had laws on the books until 2017 banning dancing in bars that don't have a "caberet license." I remember going out to bars and seeing signs on the wall that said "No dancing." We thought it was a joke until they came up to us and told us to stop dancing. Places could get hefty fines. It took a big activist push to get the law repealed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_Cabaret_Law

Vancouver until fairly recently had the same thing. I remember a hostel downtown that had a boisterous bar where one side had the license and one side didn’t for some arcane reason and they had a three foot fence with a swinging door separating the two sides. Hostel stuff still tried to happen, one night I was there and a guy stood up and started playing saxophone and a bunch of people started dancing and the poor staff had to go into panic mode trying to get everyone to stop.

Re: Chechnya bans music outside the range of 80-116 beats per minute

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> As the independent Russian news website Meduza notes, Russia’s national anthem—which is 76 beats per minute—falls outside the culture ministry’s range That seems like a bizarre oversight, I wonder how they’ll deal with it. I guess there will have to be some exception process.

Maybe speed it up slightly

Play it at 78 rpm?
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