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Re: Google fires more workers after CEO says workplace isn’t for politics

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Post by paxys »

overrun11 wrote: post #12

> Google says that each worker it fired actively disrupted its offices, while the workers dispute the claims, saying some of those fired did not even enter the company’s office on the day of coordinated demonstrations against the company. Isn't this a pretty critical point that the Washington Post should have looked into a bit more?

What's there to investigate? "Actively disrupted" is impossible to define. Google may consider it a disruption if you are organizing a protest, even if not participating in it, or if the protest hasn't happened yet. An employee may feel like their peaceful sit-in didn't disrupt anything. Ultimately Google is the one making the decision.

Re: Google fires more workers after CEO says workplace isn’t for politics

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Post by ParetoOptimal »

vlozko wrote: post #88
dijit wrote: post #63

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I'm sorry but I don't understand and I think I need a longer answer. I could interpret this three ways: 1) "Leftist Activists"; are a mixed group with some supporting pro-LGBTQ rights and others supporting Palestine. 2) "Leftist Activists"; are a homogenous group, including LGBTQ people, of which they support Palestine (and thus, support a regime that would wish them harm) 3) "Leftist Activists"; are a homogenous gro…

It's mostly 2. The harder point to prove, though I think it's true, that much of the pro-Palestinian rhetoric is as much anti-Israel, i.e anti-Semetic. It's hard to discuss subjects like this without nuance so most of my observations/opinions tend to be around trends. But a good comparison could be Ukraine and Russia. Much of the US widely supports Ukraine's plight and fully believe that Russia is a belligerent, colo…

> The harder point to prove, though I think it's true, that much of the pro-Palestinian rhetoric is as much anti-Israel, i.e anti-Semetic.

What? My view is totally different.

Most of the pro-Palestinian people intersect with the same anti-fascists under fire from newly pro-Israel people that previously criticized anti-fascists for punching Nazis.

When alt-right people defaced Jewish synagogues before this conflict I find the people arguing for it to be publicly acknowledged as a hate crime are the exact same people that are pro-Palestine now.

Re: Google fires more workers after CEO says workplace isn’t for politics

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Post by ParetoOptimal »

spencerflem wrote: post #73
dijit wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry but I don't understand and I think I need a longer answer. I could interpret this three ways: 1) "Leftist Activists"; are a mixed group with some supporting pro-LGBTQ rights and others supporting Palestine. 2) "Leftist Activists"; are a homogenous group, including LGBTQ people, of which they support Palestine (and thus, support a regime that would wish them harm) 3) "Leftist Activists"; are a homogenous gro…

I think you are mistaken that you cannot logically support both LGBT rights and Palestine. For example, I support LBGTQ+ rights and would not want people who opposed them in America to be treated the way Palestinians are.

> you cannot logically support both LGBT rights and Palestine.

You can support LGBTQ rights AND support Palestinian children not being killed by Israel.

Re: Google fires more workers after CEO says workplace isn’t for politics

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Post by racional »

nailer wrote: post #110
racional wrote: post #102

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Arab states declaring war on Israel is widely documented part of history. You post does not include supporting arguments for any alternative explanation. Meanwhile, the arabs that stayed in Israel during that war make up 20% of the population and interestingly enjoy more rights than any arab country.

Arab states declaring war on Israel is a part of history.

Right, but certain other things happened in that time period which are hugely important also.

Meanwhile, [the Palestinians] in Israel enjoy more rights than in [some] Arab countries.

The bigger point is that they have distinctly fewer rights, and are fundamentally less equal as citizens, than a certain other group of people in that country.

Your post does not include supporting arguments for any alternative explanation

There's no need. All of what I'm saying is common knowledge in Israel. It's mostly government propagandists, and Israel's uncritical supporters in other countries who keep rehashing these tired narratives.

Re: Google fires more workers after CEO says workplace isn’t for politics

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Post by spencerflem »

ParetoOptimal wrote: post #113
spencerflem wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you are mistaken that you cannot logically support both LGBT rights and Palestine. For example, I support LBGTQ+ rights and would not want people who opposed them in America to be treated the way Palestinians are.

> you cannot logically support both LGBT rights and Palestine. You can support LGBTQ rights AND support Palestinian children not being killed by Israel.

yeah I agree, I think you misread the comment

Re: Google fires more workers after CEO says workplace isn’t for politics

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Post by ParetoOptimal »

ditton wrote: post #99
dijit wrote: post #30

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I hope I'm not considered a troll for asking this question; I will ask on my main account and hopefully people will check my comment history to understand I am not intending to be belligerent or intentionally dumb. But why is it that rainbow flags (pride, et al) are considered the pro-Palestinian side in the conflict. I might be old but I distinctly remember a humanitarian outcry in the 00's because Palestinians were…

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> The thing is that people who hold 'progressive' views on these sort of topics tend to see the world through an 'oppressor/oppressed' dynamic with very little nuance applied.

What if your characterization here is borne out of the fact very little nuance is applied?

Re: Google fires more workers after CEO says workplace isn’t for politics

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Post by ditton »

spencerflem wrote: post #106
ditton wrote: post #99

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Without getting into the Palestine/Israel part, something I feel strongly about but cannot phrase nicely in a pithy internet comment - I really think that for someone griping about ignoring nuance or deep analysis you are grossly mischaracterizing trans rights. Being trans is a huge hassle, and not something done as a lark to get into female spaces. You also ignore transmasc people who are equally oppressed by the ne…

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Re: Google fires more workers after CEO says workplace isn’t for politics

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Post by ParetoOptimal »

aaa_aaa wrote: post #100
nailer wrote: post #94

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Which ones?

is netanyahu good for you? Maybe he underestimates a little. https://www.politico.eu/article/israels-netanyahu-says-he-wi... Also lancet says numbers are accurate. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6... what is your evidence?

> is netanyahu good for you? Maybe he underestimates a little. https://www.politico.eu/article/israels-netanyahu-says-he-wi...

I get the feeling there'll be no response to this hard evidence.

Re: Google fires more workers after CEO says workplace isn’t for politics

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Post by ditton »

ParetoOptimal wrote: post #116
ditton wrote: post #99

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> The thing is that people who hold 'progressive' views on these sort of topics tend to see the world through an 'oppressor/oppressed' dynamic with very little nuance applied. What if your characterization here is borne out of the fact very little nuance is applied?

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Re: Google fires more workers after CEO says workplace isn’t for politics

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Post by ParetoOptimal »

snird wrote: post #57

If anything, Google should be more aggressive with getting any politics out. Politics essentially botched their Gemini AI release. The politics are beyond harming the company.

Thinking politics can be removed from any company is wishful thinking.

The "best" they can do is mirror status quo and avoid confrontation.

This is sometimes wrongly referred to as "neutrality".

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